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All this "will OSU make the playoffs" talk is leaving a quesy feeling for me. There is a really good Wisconsin team waiting in Indianapolis, just lickin' their chops and ready to open a can.

I've engaged in a lot of "will OSU make the playoffs" talk and I want to clarify something here:
It isn't because I think OSU will win, or even because I'm an OSU fan.  It is simply because the Bama/tOSU topic is the most interesting topic in the nation in CFB right now.  If Wisconsin wins there is nothing to talk about.  The Badgers are in with a win, no debate, no discussion.  
The same is true of the SECCG.  Unless you are an Auburn or Georgia fan there just isn't anything to discuss.  The winner is going to the playoffs and the loser isn't.  End of story, no debate, no discussion.  
The two most interesting topics in national CFB right now are:

• What happens if Ohio State beats Wisconsin? and
• What happens if TCU beats Oklahoma?

I think that #2 is substantially less interesting than #1 because the committee's statement that "5-8 are very close" includes #8 Ohio State but explicitly excludes #11 TCU.  Thus, I'm fairly certain that TCU is simply playing for a spot for Bama.  If TCU wins, Bama goes.  

With #8 Ohio State it is, or at least might be, different.  If 5-8 are very close then there is at least a chance that #8 could leap-frog #5 by acquiring a major win (over #4) and a Conference Championship while #5 sits idle at home watching television.  

This is quite obviously the most interesting topic in national CFB right now.  

why are y'all arguing where FSU is-isn't without Francois? Like Parcells said...you are what your record says you are. At the end of the day- they are a 6-6 team.

Michigan limped to an 8-4 record with John O'Korn starting most of their games. Don't hear anyone making excuses for Harbaugh/Michigan like they are with Jimbo/FSU. FSU doesn't have 3 wins if John O'Korn is their QB.

Yes, I flat view FSU as a 6-6 ACC also-ran

I didn't watch all of their games or even all 6 losses, butif you did watch those games, how else could you see them?

as a top 10 team with a few bad breaks?

QB is so important, by far most important position on the entire team. Francois was really good, but he wouldn't have made them a top 10 team. He was a good notch below JT Barrett or Trace McSorley. JT is like an A college QB, McSorley an A-. Francois a really good QB, but not a truly great one. He's not a transcendent college QB, program elevator like a Baker Mayfield or Tebow- those guys are like A++. Francois is just not anywhere close to that. I'd say he's a really good B+ college QB.
FSU was a lot like Michigan to start the season- way overrated. Michigan and FSU both should've been rated 18-25 range pre-season based on what they lost the year before.

2019 (2017 record shown below)


AT South Florida, 9-2, could be a tough road game in Tampa if Strong sticks around
Central Michigan, 8-4, a good MAC team
Kent St 2-10, gimme game

Doesn't look all that bad from here.

Just look backward. And not too far backward either.

Try again?

I went back to 2012 and can't find Wisconsin playing a road game at a MAC school, so I guess you'll have to enlighten me on this one

2019 (2017 record shown below)


AT South Florida, 9-2, could be a tough road game in Tampa if Strong sticks around
Central Michigan, 8-4, a good MAC team
Kent St 2-10, gimme game

Doesn't look all that bad from here.

it will certainly look good enough if the Badgers are undefeated in December