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Topic: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2017, 09:27:23 PM »
The first CFP polls makes great message board material, so it isn't "meaningless" in that sense.  It means more than the preseason polls obviously.

It really is not worth much notice except to divine a bit how the Committee thinks about things.

Why are Wisky and Miami so far down?  The eye test and SoS.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2017, 10:02:45 PM »
no, not meaningless in the $$$ department

just meaningless in the "what 4 teams will get in" department

I just wish the final poll would give more weight to the eye test and SoS
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2017, 10:14:43 PM »
The teams on the final playoff selection are likely pretty high on that list already.  I doubt anyone ranked 15th and lower will make it.  It's not meaningless.  It gives insight into their thinking, how they value things, and shows who is likely out.


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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2017, 11:17:03 PM »
#14 and lower?  all have 2 losses

that's my point

2 losses or more, done

probably be 4 teams left standing like last season
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2017, 06:43:33 AM »
Which two loss team should be higher?

The second loss is nearly always going to be an eliminator for obvious reasons.  I don't have a problem with that, at all.

We will have a crazy year at some point where there are a slew of 2 loss conference champions of course and the committee will have some decisions to make.  Otherwise, it's going to be fairly obvious, and has been, win your conference with 0 or 1 loss and you probably are in the playoff.

This year may be less clear because of the possibility of an 11-1 independent.


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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2017, 09:33:52 AM »
#14 and lower?  all have 2 losses

that's my point

2 losses or more, done

probably be 4 teams left standing like last season

Not so sure.  We had a 2 loss team get in when there were only two teams that got in back in 2007.

That year every team but #10 Florida in the top 13 was undefeated or had 1 loss after 9 games.

Plus back then we had 6 "major" conferences instead of 5, so it was easier for teams to avoid each other, plus 3 didn't have conference championship games, avoiding an additional potential loss at the end for title contenders.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2017, 10:09:42 AM »
I didn't have a problem with one loss Ohio St last year over 2 loss conference champ PSU, didn't think one-loss Washington should be left out.

Just hoping the committee earns their keep some season and doesn't get away with the "duh" pick.

and was merely pointing out that 0 loss teams are duh picks in the final poll, but not the first poll
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2017, 10:17:59 AM »
Is a "duh pick" the same thing as an "obvious pick"?

What's wrong with that, if that is what you mean?


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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2017, 10:20:19 AM »
you sir, brought up the term "duh"

yes, I took it as a synonym for obvious
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2017, 10:21:22 AM »
nothing wrong with the obvious pick, actually would be terrible if a bunch of smart folks on a committee missed the obvious pick
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2017, 10:27:23 AM »
OK, I guess there is no problem here then.

I can be confused at times.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2017, 11:23:05 AM »
We most times discuss things we agree about, just from different perspectives
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2017, 11:25:56 AM »
they wouldn't be well down the list if this was the last poll

Badgers and Canes would be in the top 4
I think you are right, but not just because of the last poll.  The Badgers and Canes have abysmal schedules so far.  Wisconsin is 8-0 and their best victim is probably Nebraska while Miami is 7-0 with multiple too-close-for-comfort wins over questionable opponents and no win better than either FSU or GaTech.  

If the Badgers get to 13-0 they'll have wins over Iowa, Michigan, and probably Ohio State in the B1GCG.  

If the Canes get to 13-0 they'll have wins over VaTech, Notre Dame, and probably Clemson in the ACCCG.  

You are right that 13-0 would get either team in, but that isn't just because it is 13-0 it is also because they can't get there without acquiring much better wins than they have so far.  
« Last Edit: November 02, 2017, 11:32:19 AM by medinabuckeye1 »

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2017, 12:21:38 PM »
while I agree the final schedule for the Canes and the Badgers will be stronger, I also think it would be tough for the committee to put the undefeated Canes or Badgers as #5 if there where only 1 or 2 other undefeated teams, regardless of SoS.

for example, Iowa, Ohio St. and Michigan could all lose another game or two.  Leaving the Badger's SoS looking weak.

Let's say, for sake or argument, that Iowa upsets the buckeyes, Michigan wins "the game" vs the Bucks, Nebraska beats Iowa in Lincoln, Hawks stumble vs Purdue, and Michigan losses to MAryland and then badly to Wisconsin.

an undefeated Badger team is still a lock, or a Duh pick for the committee
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