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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #518 on: December 07, 2017, 02:51:26 PM »
Yep.  One of Nevada's nicknames is "the battle-born state."
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« Reply #519 on: December 07, 2017, 03:01:48 PM »
We went to Nashville this past Spring and spent some time in Franklin. There was a lot to learn and see in Franklin.
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« Reply #520 on: December 07, 2017, 03:16:06 PM »
Is it possible that Alabama just out-helmeted Ohio State? Doesn't happen much, but it may have happened here.

Still, Alabama has some quality wins and one quality loss (in the sense that Auburn is very good). Ohio State wasn't that competitive in its loss to Oklahoma (similar to Alabama's loss to Auburn), but was embarrassed by a mediocre Iowa. I don't think the decision was that hard for the committee. The biggest helmet of them all (currently) with one loss to a good team, versus a top tier helmet with two losses, including one bad one. 

Yes, the two-loss team was a conference champion, but be honest: the committee doesn't really like Wisconsin that much, and Penn State's two consecutive losses took the luster off the Ohio State win there. The committee just wasn't that impressed with the Big Ten championship. A one- or no-loss team would have been in, but not a two-loss team over Alabama.

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« Reply #521 on: December 07, 2017, 03:39:43 PM »
Here is an interesting hypothetical:

If PSU had defeated MSU, would tOSU have gotten into the playoffs?

In that case the three main contenders would have been:
  • 2-loss (including a bad one to Iowa) B1G Champion Ohio State
  • 1-loss, and a VERY good loss, non-Champion PSU
  • 1-loss, and not as good of a loss as PSU's, non-Champion Bama

In a straight up PSU vs Bama contest I can't see how Bama wins.  Bama's loss was worse and they didn't have as good of wins.  Might the committee have avoided all of that by just putting Ohio State in and saying "Championships matter".  

I honestly think that part of the committee's motivation is to avoid controversy.  I think that helped Ohio State in 2014 because I think that pretty much everybody outside of Waco thought that TCU was better than Baylor despite Baylor's H2H win over TCU.  I did for the simple reason that Baylor's loss was by two TD's to a 7-5 WVU team while TCU's loss was by a FG to an 11-1 Baylor team.  Other than that the resumes were similar except that TCU had an OOC win over Minnesota while Baylor's three OOC victims were awful.  

Picking Ohio State avoided the necessity to choose between Baylor and TCU.  That might have happened again this year if picking Ohio State had gotten the committee out of having to choose between PSU and Bama.  

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« Reply #522 on: December 07, 2017, 03:43:34 PM »
We went to Nashville this past Spring and spent some time in Franklin. There was a lot to learn and see in Franklin.
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« Reply #523 on: December 07, 2017, 03:47:30 PM »
first, i won't pretend to know or understand what the committee was thinking when the said it was really close 1 week before ccgames and then not really all that close the week after. i would suggest it was simply a lie to garner ratings, cause saying 'it's the winners of seccg, acccg, ou and wisk if they win, bama if one loses' won't build suspense.
based on what they said prior to ccgames, i said i suspected osu was in with a win. if what they said was true, then osu should have been in. but apparently it wasn't true and they though bama was simply clearly better. simply, they lied prior to the ccgame, imo.
i also don't disagree with the thought of how bama could possibly move up having not played. but to counter argue, teams move up and down all the time having not played due to results of those around them. that's how bama moved up. agree with that movement or not, matters not (and i won't argue with either sentiment), it's the simple truth of why/how.
having said that, i don't put much stock into "NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE" things. this cfp is in its infancy and every year there will be a 'never happened before'. with osu this year, there'd be at least 2 never happened before's with the 2 losses and a blow out loss. last year they had a big one with the non-champ thing (maybe paving the way for bama to oust them this year, in some form of irony). i said all along there would eventually be 2 from same conf, and we hit that this year as well. the only thing i'm not sure will eventually happen that is commonly discussed is a g5 team getting in. i think it's possible, and last year there was a chance had houston not crapped themselves. but unless it's expanded i won't say it will happen for sure. but everything else (2 loss team, team blown out, teams from same state, repeat champ, rematch from reg season, etc.) will eventually happen. many sooner than we likely think.
I agree with this post.  Most of those "never happened" things will happen.  I don't have a major beef with the ultimate decision.  I said myself that I thought it was a close call that could go either way.  
My major beef is what you illustrated with your post.  Their statement a week before the final rankings was obviously a lie and that just bothers me.  If there truly was "very little separation" between Bama and Ohio State before the CCG's, then I think we can all agree that once Ohio State picked up a quality win and a conference championship they should have been ahead.  
What really baffles me is that I just think it was incredibly stupid for the committee to create that situation.  None of the CCG results were terribly shocking.  How did they fail to foresee that their lie would be exposed a week later?  

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« Reply #524 on: December 07, 2017, 03:57:51 PM »
I agree with this post.  Most of those "never happened" things will happen.  I don't have a major beef with the ultimate decision.  I said myself that I thought it was a close call that could go either way.  
My major beef is what you illustrated with your post.  Their statement a week before the final rankings was obviously a lie and that just bothers me.  If there truly was "very little separation" between Bama and Ohio State before the CCG's, then I think we can all agree that once Ohio State picked up a quality win and a conference championship they should have been ahead.  
What really baffles me is that I just think it was incredibly stupid for the committee to create that situation.  None of the CCG results were terribly shocking.  How did they fail to foresee that their lie would be exposed a week later?  
i don't think they cared, tbh. what are we gonna do with that lie? complain for a few weeks? but if it was predetermined before the ccg then they lose money from viewership. maybe i'm missing something or to cynical, but that seems the easy answer to me.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #525 on: December 07, 2017, 04:05:14 PM »
I just want to add/clarify that both Nevada and obviously West Virginia became states during the War.  
And Nevada was initially much smaller than it is today. 
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #526 on: December 07, 2017, 08:17:28 PM »
And Nevada was initially much smaller than it is today.
Probably because there was not water. Not that this changed much. Different thread most likely.
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« Reply #527 on: December 08, 2017, 04:46:23 AM »
Wait, I thought the Civil War happened in Oregon.  Ugh.  
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« Reply #528 on: December 08, 2017, 07:05:35 AM »
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #529 on: December 08, 2017, 11:38:17 AM »
Their statement a week before the final rankings was obviously a lie and that just bothers me.  
the only poll that matters is the final poll
the first poll and the poll the week before the final poll have the same value - zero
I don't think of those polls as lies, I just think of them as hot air escaping - blah, blah, blah - to incite discussion and interest
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« Reply #530 on: December 08, 2017, 08:23:13 PM »
the only poll that matters is the final poll
the first poll and the poll the week before the final poll have the same value - zero
I don't think of those polls as lies, I just think of them as hot air escaping - blah, blah, blah - to incite discussion and interest
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« Reply #531 on: December 08, 2017, 09:17:16 PM »
tardy to the party

sounds like Ralphie

I agree, resumes were flawed for USC, tOSU, and Bama

so, the better choice would be a bye for the #1 seed and #2 and #3 play the first week

USC, BAma, and tOSU are NOT worthy

no lies, it's just that each year is different and each committee is different and they simply wait until the final poll and pick their best 4
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