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Topic: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #476 on: December 05, 2017, 10:46:08 AM »
Given the results of last Saturday's games I like the four teams in the playoffs.  Not surprised the Big Ten was locked out.  The Big Ten has always been kind of a circular firing squad.  Adding a conference championship game has not helped.  I would prefer to see the Big Ten go to 10 conference games and drop the championship game.  And adding more cupcakes or FCS teams to the schedule is not the answer.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #477 on: December 05, 2017, 11:15:56 AM »
Given the results of last Saturday's games I like the four teams in the playoffs.  Not surprised the Big Ten was locked out.  The Big Ten has always been kind of a circular firing squad.  Adding a conference championship game has not helped.  I would prefer to see the Big Ten go to 10 conference games and drop the championship game.  And adding more cupcakes or FCS teams to the schedule is not the answer.
Depends on the question.  If the question is, what's the best way to maximize the B1G's chances at making the CFP every year, then the answer is drop to 8 conference games, add more FCS and gimmes, don't jeopardize your top teams with home-and-homes against good competition but rather schedule them as 1-off neutral site games in stadiums that are likely to be friendly toward you, and carefully tailor the x-division opponents to protect the best teams in each division from one another.
If the question is, what would make better and more entertaining football for the fans of all B1G teams, then sure, ditch the cupcakes and play great opponents in home-and-home series.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #478 on: December 05, 2017, 11:25:08 AM »
Just get rid of the SEC CCG, and make this the annual National Semifinals:

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #479 on: December 05, 2017, 11:56:04 AM »
A 2 loss team has to have a very compelling story to get in (or no competition for the slot).

Auburn would have had that compelling story according to the CFPC had they won the CG.


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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #480 on: December 05, 2017, 12:34:00 PM »
 I would say the opposite. If you're going to keep a conference champion out there needs to be  either a better conference champion, or a compelling, compelling argument for a nine conference champion like there was last year with Ohio State     Their resume last year was as good or maybe better than anybody's     After that one narrow loss at the last second they went out the next week on the road against a 10 win team and annihilated them     Voss you have the debate between Penn State and Washington 

 What they're saying this year is that not that they think Alabama has a compelling argument, but that they are the "best" team 

 The problem in the "best versus deserving and "debate is that one can be backed up with data and the other one is completely an opinion 

 If Bama have been ranked number four going into the final weekend and Wisconsin number five, this would probably make sense although you would have to question why Wisconsin was being under rated 

 The conversation is infuriating. I hear people talking about the fact that the last two big 10 appearances they did not score a point 

 If the committee acted like they did this year back in 2015 the best team in the country to most people, Ohio State, would have been in the playoffs in addition to Michigan State 

 Also, if you're allowed to go back and use prior years then why stop it two years. Why not go to three years and then ask who won the last time Alabama played Ohio State? 

 Let's be honest about this – the committee just used their opinion and no data or fax and they've never done that before 
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #481 on: December 05, 2017, 12:36:24 PM »
 What they should do is stop posting the CFP rankings at all and just announce the invitational results at the end by saying who they think the best for teams are   

 That's what they half did this year    
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #482 on: December 05, 2017, 01:11:46 PM »
Washington had 3 ranked wins compared to Penn St's two plus one less loss.  That wasn't just counting losses.

but do we want to reward teams for scheduling Portland St, Idaho and Rutgers? that was my biggest problem with it

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« Reply #483 on: December 05, 2017, 01:15:03 PM »
The Pirate on the playoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_nuMEtwUW4

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #484 on: December 05, 2017, 01:18:30 PM »
From Tom Fornelli at CBSec Sports. I found this mildly amusing. And truth.

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"Alabama was clearly the No. 4 ranked team as a non-champion," said Hocutt when asked why the committee went with the Tide over the Buckeyes.

Clearly?! Really?!

Let's go back to last week -- five days, in fact -- when the committee released its penultimate CFP Rankings on Tuesday night. In those rankings, Alabama was No. 5 and Ohio State was No. 8. Here's what Hocutt said while answering questions about the debate between Alabama and Ohio State less than a week ago.

"Reflecting on the discussions over the last two days," said Hocutt, "obviously there's three spots that separate [Alabama and Ohio State] right there, but it's close separation from team No. 5, Alabama, [with] No. 6 Georgia, No. 7 Miami, No. 8 Ohio State. Those teams are close. Very little separation in the committee's eyes between teams five through eight."

So what happened to take us from having "very little separation" between Ohio State and Alabama to "Alabama was clearly the No. 4-ranked team?"

Was it Ohio State winning a Big Ten title against No. 4 Wisconsin that proved Alabama was clearly better than it? Was it Auburn, the team that beat Alabama, losing to Georgia that proved Alabama was better?

Or is the committee just talking out its you-know-what to explain its rankings on a weekly basis?

Only one of those three questions has an obvious answer.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/what-we-learned-dont-listen-to-the-cfp-heres-why-alabama-is-in-over-ohio-state/



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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #485 on: December 05, 2017, 01:33:07 PM »
The Pirate on the playoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_nuMEtwUW4

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #486 on: December 05, 2017, 01:34:10 PM »
From Tom Fornelli at CBSec Sports. I found this mildly amusing. And truth.

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"Alabama was clearly the No. 4 ranked team as a non-champion," said Hocutt when asked why the committee went with the Tide over the Buckeyes.

Clearly?! Really?!

Let's go back to last week -- five days, in fact -- when the committee released its penultimate CFP Rankings on Tuesday night. In those rankings, Alabama was No. 5 and Ohio State was No. 8. Here's what Hocutt said while answering questions about the debate between Alabama and Ohio State less than a week ago.

"Reflecting on the discussions over the last two days," said Hocutt, "obviously there's three spots that separate [Alabama and Ohio State] right there, but it's close separation from team No. 5, Alabama, [with] No. 6 Georgia, No. 7 Miami, No. 8 Ohio State. Those teams are close. Very little separation in the committee's eyes between teams five through eight."

So what happened to take us from having "very little separation" between Ohio State and Alabama to "Alabama was clearly the No. 4-ranked team?"

Was it Ohio State winning a Big Ten title against No. 4 Wisconsin that proved Alabama was clearly better than it? Was it Auburn, the team that beat Alabama, losing to Georgia that proved Alabama was better?

Or is the committee just talking out its you-know-what to explain its rankings on a weekly basis?

Only one of those three questions has an obvious answer.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/what-we-learned-dont-listen-to-the-cfp-heres-why-alabama-is-in-over-ohio-state/




HAHA. I actually posted a link to that way earlier in this thread- but since I didn't embed it- I doubt anyone read it.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #487 on: December 05, 2017, 02:10:25 PM »
I think if tOSU won by 3+ scores, they'd have gotten in.  I bet a big part of Bama getting in is that the committee thinks the Tide would beat Wisconsin by more than 6 points....
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #488 on: December 05, 2017, 04:00:31 PM »
hmm... I do recall lots of nittany tears last year. I think they were justified. Last year the committee claimed quality wins, better wins vs. same competition, and 1 loss; trumped head to head and conference title.
This year they are claiming weaker schedule, only 1 loss trumps tougher schedule and conference title.
Both cases PSU last year, and OSU this year they had an embarrassing loss. I think the committee is saying what Saban said, championship caliber teams don't get embarrassed when they stub their toe.
I actually for one had no issue with a 1-loss OSU team making the playoff last year despite the circumstances.  I obviously wanted Penn State in, but I understood why they weren't as well.  
I said it in another post, I'll say it again - Don't.  Lose.  Bad.  The committee two years in a row has obviously made this a point.  
And Ohio State had a really bad loss at Iowa this year, as did Penn State did to Michigan last year (albeit, a MUCH better Michigan team last year than Iowa was this year).  It wasn't the Pitt loss that did PSU in last year; it was being blown out by Michigan.  Am I the only one who remembers the massive uproar when 2001 Nebraska made the MNC title game that year after being whitewashed by Colorado?
My point is (and not directed at you Typhon, just in general) you can't take the result from last year with OSU getting in over Penn State and flip it to not getting in this year over Bama regardless of how many 'good' wins you think you have and the other doesn't.  OSU fans in general seem to be failing to grasp that, like they are enduring some massive injustice.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #489 on: December 05, 2017, 04:03:50 PM »
I think if tOSU won by 3+ scores, they'd have gotten in.  I bet a big part of Bama getting in is that the committee thinks the Tide would beat Wisconsin by more than 6 points....
I also think that had Ohio State lost on a last second field goal at Kinnick they would have gotten in too.  

 

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