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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #462 on: December 04, 2017, 05:10:44 PM »
Changed it around so you could time warp back a year ago today.  
It's kinda humorous to me to to hear all of this a year later, now that the shoe's on the other foot.  OSU's resume yesterday essentially mirrored Penn State's last year and frankly was weaker in my opinion (at least PSU got whitewashed by by a Top 15 team, not a 5 loss team).  Wasn't much crying/whining for the Nits as I recall.  
Suck it up, this is how it goes.  PSU has been screwed out of 5 MNC's that I can count, and that doesn't include the right to try and play for one last year.  This is CFB, these are the politics.  
Last year PSU against ranked (final CFP) opponents:
  • #3 Ohio State:  Won by 3, home
  • #6 Michigan:  Lost by 39, road
  • #8 Wisconsin:  Won by 7, neutral
  • #23 Pitt:  Lost by 3, road
Last year Ohio State:
  • #5 Penn State:  Lost by 3, road
  • #6 Michigan:  Won in 2OT, home
  • #7 Oklahoma:  Won by 21, road
  • #8 Wisconsin:  Won in OT, road
Bama this year:
  • #7 Auburn:  Lost by 12, road
  • #17 LSU:  Won by 14, home.   
  • #23 MissSt:  Won by 7, home 

Penn State has a better argument this year than they did last year.  Last year Penn State's best road win was . . . Indiana?  

Ohio State had a ridiculously tough schedule last year that included three road games against top-10 opponents.  

Bama this year doesn't have a signature win to rival either Ohio State or Penn State in either 2016 or 2017.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #463 on: December 04, 2017, 05:11:46 PM »
Bama's scheduling was good regarding the FSU game

Bama's schedule was poor regarding it's combined strength - including FSU which unfortunately stunk

every season some usually decent team (BYU, FSU) goes in the tank and causes trouble

as I told the Badger fans, it's not their fault that BYU stunk, but it's also not the fault of any other program competing with the Badgers for a spot

your schedule is what it is.  the scheduling needs to have sufficient weight to overcome clunkers like BYU and FSU - Mercer doesn't help, neither does Utah State

the nice thing is...... the committee really doesn't care about schedule strength
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #464 on: December 04, 2017, 06:32:03 PM »
Last year PSU against ranked (final CFP) opponents:
  • #3 Ohio State:  Won by 3, home
  • #6 Michigan:  Lost by 39, road
  • #8 Wisconsin:  Won by 7, neutral
  • #23 Pitt:  Lost by 3, road
Last year Ohio State:
  • #5 Penn State:  Lost by 3, road
  • #6 Michigan:  Won in 2OT, home
  • #7 Oklahoma:  Won by 21, road
  • #8 Wisconsin:  Won in OT, road
Bama this year:
  • #7 Auburn:  Lost by 12, road
  • #17 LSU:  Won by 14, home.  
  • #23 MissSt:  Won by 7, home

Penn State has a better argument this year than they did last year.  Last year Penn State's best road win was . . . Indiana?  

Ohio State had a ridiculously tough schedule last year that included three road games against top-10 opponents.  

Bama this year doesn't have a signature win to rival either Ohio State or Penn State in either 2016 or 2017.  
Add to that, Ohio State last year had a play in game. Number 2 versus# 3, on the last day of the regular season.    They won and went into the final championship weekend ALREADY in the top 4.  Bama got manhandled on their last week end and went into the final weekend OUT of the top 4.  No comparison.
And comparing PSU last year to OSU this year is nothing short of humorous.  People forget, the debate was Penn State or Washington for that 4th spot.  The committee said they didn't even consider it (OSU or PSU)       But the committee didn't want 2 teams from the same conference ( funny- how that changes this year for the conference that only schedules 8 conference games ). 
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #465 on: December 04, 2017, 09:47:22 PM »
Last year PSU against ranked (final CFP) opponents:
  • #3 Ohio State:  Won by 3, home
  • #6 Michigan:  Lost by 39, road
  • #8 Wisconsin:  Won by 7, neutral
  • #23 Pitt:  Lost by 3, road
Last year Ohio State:
  • #5 Penn State:  Lost by 3, road
  • #6 Michigan:  Won in 2OT, home
  • #7 Oklahoma:  Won by 21, road
  • #8 Wisconsin:  Won in OT, road
Bama this year:
  • #7 Auburn:  Lost by 12, road
  • #17 LSU:  Won by 14, home.  
  • #23 MissSt:  Won by 7, home

Penn State has a better argument this year than they did last year.  Last year Penn State's best road win was . . . Indiana?  

Ohio State had a ridiculously tough schedule last year that included three road games against top-10 opponents.  

Bama this year doesn't have a signature win to rival either Ohio State or Penn State in either 2016 or 2017.  
It doesn't affect your argument much, but Bama played Mississippi State in Starkville.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #466 on: December 04, 2017, 09:55:46 PM »
we're focusing a lot on Ohio State obviously, but lets not forget. if USC plays Akron instead of ND, then USC is in the playoff as well. 

this is what sucks, teams that challenge themselves, with "true" road games, with multiple tough OOC games or play a 9 league schedule will always be at a disadvantage until the committee has the stones to put a 2 loss team (with a good resume like USC or Ohio State this year) over a 1 loss team and cite specifically it's the 8 game conference schedule and lack of OOC opponents. until then, Bama's doing what's right for Bama. I think it sucks, I think it leads to less a less exciting regular season, I don't think it's particularly fair, but it is what it is. so the PAC, BIG, BIG 12 have to decide, do we all go back to 8 games, scheduling FCS etc? I wouldn't blame anyone for doing so, because the committee's stance on scheduling tough for the last 4 years is pretty BS. 

now, if you're not a helmet, if you're northwestern or something, you're probably in a particular bind, because you gotta go 13-0 if you play a weaker schedule. not fair either, but that's what the committee is saying. 

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #467 on: December 05, 2017, 06:10:49 AM »
In the committee's defense I don't think they were just counting losses in regards to Bama/OhioSt.  I really believe it was the way Ohio St lost that kept them out.  I do my own rankings every year because I like to get an idea of just how difficult it is to do what the CFP does every year.

I usually lean more on resume and pay more attention to who you beat than who you lose to but the Iowa loss was just so unusual it was hard to gloss over it.  If Ohio St loses on a FG at the gun I'd probably have been more forgiving.  I have to think maybe the CFP would have too.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #468 on: December 05, 2017, 07:58:29 AM »
we're focusing a lot on Ohio State obviously, but lets not forget. if USC plays Akron instead of ND, then USC is in the playoff as well. 
This is exactly what is wrong with what the committee did.  Every AD in the nation now knows two things:
  • If USC had hosted Akron instead of travelling to Notre Dame, the Trojans would be a 12-1 P5 Champion in the CFP.  
  • If Ohio State had hosted Tulsa instead of playing Oklahoma, the Buckeyes would be a 12-1 P5 Champion in the CFP.  

The committee sent a message loud and clear and that message is that SoS is merely a tiebreaker while number of losses is the #1 consideration.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #469 on: December 05, 2017, 08:10:27 AM »
In the committee's defense I don't think they were just counting losses in regards to Bama/OhioSt.  I really believe it was the way Ohio St lost that kept them out.  I do my own rankings every year because I like to get an idea of just how difficult it is to do what the CFP does every year.

I usually lean more on resume and pay more attention to who you beat than who you lose to but the Iowa loss was just so unusual it was hard to gloss over it.  If Ohio St loses on a FG at the gun I'd probably have been more forgiving.  I have to think maybe the CFP would have too.
They did the same in putting Washington in last year though too.  They aren't putting a 2 loss team in as long as there are at least 4 undefeated or 1 loss teams.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #470 on: December 05, 2017, 08:23:53 AM »
This is exactly what is wrong with what the committee did.  Every AD in the nation now knows two things:
  • If USC had hosted Akron instead of travelling to Notre Dame, the Trojans would be a 12-1 P5 Champion in the CFP.  
  • If Ohio State had hosted Tulsa instead of playing Oklahoma, the Buckeyes would be a 12-1 P5 Champion in the CFP.  

The committee sent a message loud and clear and that message is that SoS is merely a tiebreaker while number of losses is the #1 consideration.  
Interesting in this scenerio, the choices would have been
1.  12-1 Clemson (did not play S Car or Auburn)
2.  12-1 Georgia (did not play ND or GT)
3.  12-1 Oklahoma (did not play ohio st)
4.  12-1 USC (did not play ND or Tex)
5.  12-1 Ohio St (did not play Okie)
6.  11-1 Bama (did not play FSU)
Who does the committe pick?  

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« Reply #471 on: December 05, 2017, 08:44:03 AM »
Interesting in this scenerio, the choices would have been
1.  12-1 Clemson (did not play S Car or Auburn)
2.  12-1 Georgia (did not play ND or GT)
3.  12-1 Oklahoma (did not play ohio st)
4.  12-1 USC (did not play ND or Tex)
5.  12-1 Ohio St (did not play Okie)
6.  11-1 Bama (did not play FSU)
Who does the committe pick?  
Easy, SoS and Championships are effectively tiebreakers so the four P5 Champions with the best SoS. In this example, Bama and USC are out. Bana because they aren't a Champion and USC because they had the weakest (by far) CG opponent. 

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« Reply #472 on: December 05, 2017, 09:29:06 AM »
Changed it around so you could time warp back a year ago today.  
It's kinda humorous to me to to hear all of this a year later, now that the shoe's on the other foot.  OSU's resume yesterday essentially mirrored Penn State's last year and frankly was weaker in my opinion (at least PSU got whitewashed by by a Top 15 team, not a 5 loss team).  Wasn't much crying/whining for the Nits as I recall.  
Suck it up, this is how it goes.  PSU has been screwed out of 5 MNC's that I can count, and that doesn't include the right to try and play for one last year.  This is CFB, these are the politics.  
hmm... I do recall lots of nittany tears last year. I think they were justified. Last year the committee claimed quality wins, better wins vs. same competition, and 1 loss; trumped head to head and conference title.
This year they are claiming weaker schedule, only 1 loss trumps tougher schedule and conference title. 
Both cases PSU last year, and OSU this year they had an embarrassing loss. I think the committee is saying what Saban said, championship caliber teams don't get embarrassed when they stub their toe. 

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« Reply #473 on: December 05, 2017, 09:31:38 AM »
They did the same in putting Washington in last year though too.  They aren't putting a 2 loss team in as long as there are at least 4 undefeated or 1 loss teams.
Washington had 3 ranked wins compared to Penn St's two plus one less loss.  That wasn't just counting losses.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #474 on: December 05, 2017, 09:32:47 AM »
hmm... I do recall lots of nittany tears last year. I think they were justified. Last year the committee claimed quality wins, better wins vs. same competition, and 1 loss; trumped head to head and conference title.
This year they are claiming weaker schedule, only 1 loss trumps tougher schedule and conference title.
Both cases PSU last year, and OSU this year they had an embarrassing loss. I think the committee is saying what Saban said, championship caliber teams don't get embarrassed when they stub their toe.
I agree. 

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« Reply #475 on: December 05, 2017, 09:54:59 AM »
Interesting in this scenerio, the choices would have been
1.  12-1 Clemson (did not play S Car or Auburn)
2.  12-1 Georgia (did not play ND or GT)
3.  12-1 Oklahoma (did not play ohio st)
4.  12-1 USC (did not play ND or Tex)
5.  12-1 Ohio St (did not play Okie)
6.  11-1 Bama (did not play FSU)
Who does the committe pick?  
If Clemson didn't play Auburn, then Auburn didn't play Clemson, which means...

1. Clemson
2. Georgia
3. Auburn
4. Alabama
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