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Topic: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #448 on: December 04, 2017, 01:54:44 PM »
i don't know what changed and agree with what you're saying. i said after those rankings were released i thought it'd be osu based on the 'minimal separation' from 5-8 from the committee spokesman, bringing sos/conf champs/etc into play, which osu would be in better position than bama is. and i don't know what changed (more likely they were bs-ing for ratings, imo).
as for the '15 osu vs '17 bama, again the competition to get in the cfp in '15 was much greater than in '17. if '15 osu replaced '17 osu, it's a no brainer and osu is in easily. you can't just compare 15 osu to 17 bama. you have to compare the entire circumstances, which aren't the same 15 osu had much better teams to compete with to get in cfp than the 17 counterparts.
I agree with this entirely.  Part of the nature of things is that you compete in a particular year.  I've always said, for example, that Ohio State and Michigan both had possibly their best ever teams in 1973.  Neither won an NC though because they tied each other.  Ohio State got the Rose Bowl (on a vote of conference AD's) and smoked USC in the Rose Bowl.  They didn't finish #1 because they had a "blemish" in the tie with Michigan.  1973 Ohio State would easily have won the NC in 1972 or 1974 (as would 1973 Michigan) but you don't get to do that.  
2015 Ohio State got left out because the ACC, SEC, B1G, and B12 all produced undefeated or 1-loss Champions.  If Wisconsin had defeated Ohio State this year, Bama would have been left out.  That didn't happen so it left room because there were only three P5 Champions with one or less losses.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #449 on: December 04, 2017, 01:56:28 PM »
So, three teams from three states in the Deep South, and Oklahoma, not really a media center.

This worry about who may watch is clearly not a factor.
This.  
For all of you who have been arguing that Helmet Factor and/or ratings override everything, this decision proves that to be untrue.  If you were making the decision based on ratings you wouldn't have taken three Deep South teams and Oklahoma.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #450 on: December 04, 2017, 01:57:35 PM »
That is exactly what I thought would put Ohio State in.
Up until this year the Committee has been MUCH more interested in who you beat and losses have been a lesser issue.  Bama got in despite lacking quality wins.  They have changed their tune.  

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« Reply #451 on: December 04, 2017, 02:00:11 PM »
Up until this year the Committee has been MUCH more interested in who you beat and losses have been a lesser issue.  Bama got in despite lacking quality wins.  They have changed their tune.  
It'll change back when it's convenient to change it back...

This year the committee "valued" Ohio State's losses more than it valued quality wins.
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #452 on: December 04, 2017, 02:00:24 PM »
If the Big Ten is serious about the CFP, the path is clear...

1.) Move back to 8 conference games
2.) No more road OOC games
3.) Bring back FCS opponents.

For all the talk, the committee clearly still looks at just how many losses you have.  Alabama doesn't have anything resembling a good win.  Hell, MSU has better wins than Bama does.
My objection to the Bama selection is exactly this.  The message it sends it that scheduling for a strong SoS is a fool's errand because the primary consideration by the committee is:
  • Number of Losses.  
Everything else comes after that.  Conference Championships, SoS, and quality wins are tiebreakers to be used when deciding among teams with the same number of losses only.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #453 on: December 04, 2017, 02:06:37 PM »
It'll change back when it's convenient to change it back...
because the primary consideration by the committee is:
Number of Losses.  
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #454 on: December 04, 2017, 03:22:11 PM »
Folks criticize Bama's scheduling, but scheduling FSU was a stout move.

I disagree with their neutral site thing and also think they should play 10 P5 teams, but scheduling FSU was not a problem in my mind.  Whether they played Mercer or Ga Southern wouldn't have mattered.  They could have scheduled Duke or UNC and it wouldn't have mattered either, but it would look better.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #455 on: December 04, 2017, 03:45:34 PM »
Maybe the committee simply decided that the wrath of the Ohio State fan base wouldn't be as bad as the wrath from the Bama fan base.

I mean, why not that reason? 
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« Reply #456 on: December 04, 2017, 04:04:31 PM »
Folks criticize Bama's scheduling, but scheduling FSU was a stout move.

I disagree with their neutral site thing and also think they should play 10 P5 teams, but scheduling FSU was not a problem in my mind.  Whether they played Mercer or Ga Southern wouldn't have mattered.  They could have scheduled Duke or UNC and it wouldn't have mattered either, but it would look better.
I've said this repeatedly in this thread and I stand by it:
This isn't 4 year old T-ball.  You should not be rewarded for effort.  
I agree that SCHEDULING FSU was a stout move.  However, it did NOT turn out to be a game against a quality opponent.  The same is true for Wisconsin with BYU.  
  • Wisconsin scheduled a BYU team that has been decent almost every year recently.  
  • Bama scheduled an FSU team that was expected to be a playoff contender.  

Neither Bama nor Wisconsin should be judged based on what they tried to accomplish.  They should be judged based on what actually happened.  What actually happened was that Bama played a mediocre (6-6) FSU team and Wisconsin played a terrible (4-9) BYU team.  

In 2018 Ohio State's OOC is OrSU, TCU, and Tulane.  If TCU sucks, Ohio State should not get "credit" for effort for scheduling a TCU team that has been pretty good.  Also, Ohio State should not get "credit" for the fact that when they scheduled OrSU, the Beavers were pretty good.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #457 on: December 04, 2017, 04:14:41 PM »
"How did the third best B1G team make the playoffs? By staying home and doing nothing, while other teams worked hard and won Championships. Ohio State didn’t win a division title, a conference title...."
Changed it around so you could time warp back a year ago today.  
It's kinda humorous to me to to hear all of this a year later, now that the shoe's on the other foot.  OSU's resume yesterday essentially mirrored Penn State's last year and frankly was weaker in my opinion (at least PSU got whitewashed by by a Top 15 team, not a 5 loss team).  Wasn't much crying/whining for the Nits as I recall.  
Suck it up, this is how it goes.  PSU has been screwed out of 5 MNC's that I can count, and that doesn't include the right to try and play for one last year.  This is CFB, these are the politics.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #458 on: December 04, 2017, 04:16:21 PM »
because the primary consideration by the committee is:
Number of Losses.  
It's simple:  1)  Don't lose 2 games.  2)  Don't lose one of them being run off the field.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #459 on: December 04, 2017, 04:18:32 PM »
Maybe the committee simply decided that the wrath of the Ohio State fan base wouldn't be as bad as the wrath from the Bama fan base.

I mean, why not that reason?
Iowa - the way they lost,close game there may be an argument  
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #460 on: December 04, 2017, 04:21:48 PM »
I've said this repeatedly in this thread and I stand by it:
This isn't 4 year old T-ball.  You should not be rewarded for effort.  
I agree that SCHEDULING FSU was a stout move.  However, it did NOT turn out to be a game against a quality opponent.  The same is true for Wisconsin with BYU.  
  • Wisconsin scheduled a BYU team that has been decent almost every year recently.  
  • Bama scheduled an FSU team that was expected to be a playoff contender.  

Neither Bama nor Wisconsin should be judged based on what they tried to accomplish.  They should be judged based on what actually happened.  What actually happened was that Bama played a mediocre (6-6) FSU team and Wisconsin played a terrible (4-9) BYU team.  

In 2018 Ohio State's OOC is OrSU, TCU, and Tulane.  If TCU sucks, Ohio State should not get "credit" for effort for scheduling a TCU team that has been pretty good.  Also, Ohio State should not get "credit" for the fact that when they scheduled OrSU, the Beavers were pretty good.  
that's fine and i don't disagree.
but what it does mean is anyone saying bama is scared or tried to get an edge by not playing anyone tough is full of it. bama went out and scheduled what it thought was a really tough opponent. it didn't turn out that way, but it's not a result of trying to find easy opponents.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #461 on: December 04, 2017, 04:57:58 PM »
that's fine and i don't disagree.
but what it does mean is anyone saying bama is scared or tried to get an edge by not playing anyone tough is full of it. bama went out and scheduled what it thought was a really tough opponent. it didn't turn out that way, but it's not a result of trying to find easy opponents.
And I agree with you.  Bama did try to schedule a strong OOC opponent.  

 

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