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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2022, 09:27:54 PM »
You're kind of sweeping the numbers under the rug as being close, but they're not.

A team with a lower yards per carry average AND fewer carries isn't "close" to being as productive.  Same with the rush D....0.4 ypc isn't really close.  OSU faces more rushes AND allows more ypc....the volume matters.  It's almost like a multiplier on the "not far behind" per-attempt data.

Just an FYI.
If you think there’s a substantial difference between 5.65 yards per carry and 5.45 yards per carry I’m not sure I can help you.

But Ohio State’s office is by far more productive. That part is factual. And anyway your point that Ohio State can’t run the ball is clearly incorrect.
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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2022, 09:56:54 PM »
They've been held to under 100 rushing yards in 2 of their past 3 games, and Michigan's run D is as good as Iowa's.  
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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2022, 10:43:55 PM »
They've been held to under 100 rushing yards in 2 of their past 3 games, and Michigan's run D is as good as Iowa's. 

True.  And yet they win all by double digits.  

so if you want to rank them behind Michigan that is valid logic.  

But to say they can’t run is not correct/ and also misleading.    They have had critical success running when they needed to, and, have generally made teams pay dearly for overplaying the run.  That’s why they lead the nation in scoring.  
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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2022, 10:47:18 PM »
I thought it was because they're 2nd in the nation in passing TDs per game while being only 83rd in pass attempts.  

My mistake, I guess.
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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2022, 06:58:59 AM »
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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2022, 07:25:06 AM »
I don't understand why OSU is ranked by most everyone over Michigan.  One can run the ball and the other can't.  That means something to me.
I think it's a pretty large over statement to conclude Ohio State CANNOT run the ball.  One could say they pass better than they run.

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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2022, 07:45:47 AM »
OSU can run the ball just fine.
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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2022, 08:04:14 AM »
I don't understand why OSU is ranked by most everyone over Michigan.  One can run the ball and the other can't.  That means something to me.
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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2022, 08:04:17 AM »
I think it's a pretty large over statement to conclude Ohio State CANNOT run the ball.  One could say they pass better than they run.
yeah they can run the ball, just not effectively as Michigan can. Conversely Michigan can pass the ball, just not effectively as OSU can.

They have had 4 common opponents;

Penn State: Michigan- 418 rushing yards, OSU- 98 rushing yards
Iowa: Michigan- 172 rushing yards, OSU- 66 rushing yards 
MSU: Michigan- 276 rushing yards, OSU- 237 rushing yards 
Rutger: Michigan- 282 rushing yards, OSU- 252 rushing yards

All of this probably means nothing. Transitive property is useless in CFB. 

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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2022, 08:06:55 AM »
I'm more interested in both teams defenses than rushing games. I wonder if OSU plays a base 4-3 vs Michigan and ditches the 4-2-5. Not sure 4-2-5 is the kind of defense you want to be in base against a team that wants to run the ball down your throat. 

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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2022, 10:40:03 AM »
Joel Klatt's top 10

1) Georgia
2) Michigan
3) Ohio State
4) TCU
5) Tennessee
6) Oregon
7) LSU
8) Bama
9) UCLA
10) Utah 

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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2022, 10:47:13 AM »
Let's ASSUME:

UGA and LSU win out, and UGA prevails the CG (I like this assumption)

The OSU-UM winner goes 13-0, so that it easy,  the loser goes 11-1.

TCU loses to Texas, Tennessee and Oregon win out.  I think you have those four in the playoff.

My GUESS is some sort of mayhem ensues and it goes all wonky.

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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2022, 10:56:22 AM »
Let's ASSUME:

UGA and LSU win out, and UGA prevails the CG (I like this assumption)

The OSU-UM winner goes 13-0, so that it easy,  the loser goes 11-1.

TCU loses to Texas, Tennessee and Oregon win out.  I think you have those four in the playoff.

My GUESS is some sort of mayhem ensues and it goes all wonky.
Depends on the OSU-Michigan game score. Let's say Michigan or OSU wins in a 3 point game. You really leaving one of them out if they play an epic one for the ages slugfest? If one team gets blown out- then sure, no dice, leave 'em out imo.

Not a believer in Tennessee, never have been. They don't play defense and are finesse on the lines of scrimmage and they don't have the top end talent like an OSU or UGA. UGA just punked them. They should've lost to a god awful shitty Pitt team in double OT that was starting it's backup QB. Tennessee isn't done losing imo. Bama could legitimately very easily be a 4 loss team right now- so not sure how great that W really even was.

Can't put Oregon in a playoff with UGA. Already saw that game. They put up 3 points and lost by 46 points.

You're right, it'll get wonky- and could be a mess.

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Re: Playoff Rankings
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2022, 11:00:39 AM »
I recall when folks thought the four teams might be only SEC-B1G.  I suppose it's still possible, but won't be Bama.  Had Tennessee lost a close one that wasn't 27-6 at one point....

So, let's say Ohio State beats UM 31-24.  Does UM still get in over Tennessee?  The Vols would have two wins over top ten ranked teams (as it stands).  UM has a win over PSU and ...  Rutgers.

If Oregon wins the Pac at 12-1 I think they are a lock.

 

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