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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2018, 12:09:13 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 13, 2018, 07:19:24 AM
BYU will never get in because of politics.

Their only chance is is the private schools all ditch the bureaucracy, and form their own conference.
That could be a pretty solid conference:
USC
Notre Dame
Miami
Stanford
TCU
Baylor
BYU
Northwestern
Boston College
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
With the three helmets at the top and a healthy handful more that make regular appearances in the top 25--and every conference has cellar dwellers. I'm looking at you, Indiana.
I'm sure I'm leaving a school or two out, but that's a pretty good start. And it provides a nice national platform for these schools.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2018, 12:20:03 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 13, 2018, 12:06:45 PM
All of the original Big East teams were "saved" except Temple.

In all these rounds of realignment, the only net change regarding P5/G5 status is that Temple was demoted, while Louisville, Utah and TCU were promoted.


Well, that all depends on what you call "original" because Temple was added for football well after the conference was established (along with Miami, Rutgers, VT, WVU), and was voted out in 2004 or so. They were not saved.

Cincy, Louisville, and USF were added out of desperation, and only Louisville was saved (out of ACC desperation). TCU and Boise were invited, accepted and later declined. I think maybe SDSU and even Navy too. Then they had UCF, Houston, SMU and Memphis join. None were saved.

UCon was also not saved, and was an original member in basketball and later took on football.

Very much a cluster F**k that could have been saved by one vote in 1982.
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2018, 12:20:44 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on March 13, 2018, 12:09:13 PM
That could be a pretty solid conference:
USC
Notre Dame
Miami
Stanford
TCU
Baylor
BYU
Northwestern
Boston College
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
With the three helmets at the top and a healthy handful more that make regular appearances in the top 25--and every conference has cellar dwellers. I'm looking at you, Indiana.
I'm sure I'm leaving a school or two out, but that's a pretty good start. And it provides a nice national platform for these schools.

Not Baylor (obviously).
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2018, 12:23:09 PM »
Good point. 

I meant the original Football Conference. 
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2018, 12:27:30 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 13, 2018, 12:23:09 PM
Good point.

I meant the original Football Conference.
10/4. And then you would be correct. 

Thinking about all the schools that were Big East members is mind-numbing.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2018, 12:44:11 PM »
Technically the Big East Conferences first year of football coincided with SWC's final year.

So that season was probably the ultimate Conference alignment ever. 

Not to mention the WAC still had it's glory line up. 

UConn has hit a lot of realignment jackpots over the years. They got promoted from 1AA straight to the Big East, not based on performance but just because their Basketball team was there. Then their crappy Hockey team got to join Hockey East, just because Notre Dame had a cup of tea in that conference and they needed another member to make it an even number. 
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2018, 12:52:01 PM »
UCon as a major player, in anything, is probably done. 
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2018, 01:52:48 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2018, 07:05:12 AM
SEC:

This is pretty clean, taking away expansion schools Arkansas, South Carolina and Missouri. Texas A&M stays put in this scenario.
the Aggies don't belong, they can have Houston's spot taken from Baylor, because neither Baylor nor Houston deserve a spot
Leave the GameCocks in the SEC
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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2018, 02:47:50 PM »
Leaving usc in the SEC has ripple affects on the ACC and on the Eastern Conference, but I'll look at that. It could open up some spots for schools like Temple, UCon, Cincy and the two Florida directional schools.
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2018, 02:53:50 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2018, 02:47:50 PM
 It could open up some spots for schools like Temple, UCon, Cincy and the two Florida directional schools.
I don't think the big boys want or need any on that list
whats the number you are arriving at?  6 conferences with 11 teams = 66?
77?  a couple conferences with 10 teams and 4 non-con games?
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2018, 03:05:35 PM »
66 at 11/each. 
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2018, 03:16:01 PM »
Keep in mind that the "big boys" set the standard on what size a conference has to be, which is why the Big East took Temple back and promoted UCon as soon as it could, to stay at the mandated 8 schools, and keep that BCS bid.
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2018, 03:43:51 PM »
I'm not convinced 6x11 is best, but if that's the framework, that's what I'll try.  I'm going to erase the last 15 years.  Go back to 2003, the year before the ACC raided the Big East.  You had 6 BCS conferences: ACC (9), Big East (8), Big Ten (11), Big 12 (12, woah), Pac 10 (10) and SEC (12).  That gives you 62.  So what 4 do we add to that.  Notre Dame is obvious.  I think BYU is too.  TCU, Louisville and Utah make the next most sense.  That gets you to 67...but Temple was still in the Big East at that point.  So they are gone.  There are your 66.

I'm also ignoring tv networks and "footprints," and trying to change as little as possible

1.) I don't really want to break up Utah and BYU, and the Pac Ten pairings make so much sense, that I'll still send Colorado out west first.  Pac 10 is done.

2.) Big 12 now has 11.  But there really is nowhere else to put Utah and BYU.  TCU for that matter.  So I need to drop 3 there to make room for them.  I can't find 3 that make sense.  I can find 2.  Missouri wants out, and Iowa State has a natural rival in the Big Ten.  We'll deal with TCU later.  Big 12 is set.

3.) I don't want to boot Penn State, but the Eastern thing always made more sense.  They'll take Notre Dame with them, and that opens up Iowa State's slot

4.) SEC sends South Carolina to the ACC to be with Clemson, and sends Vandy, in that Vandy is a better academic fit.  They release Kentucky to be with Louisville, and go play in a basketball conference.  That gives them room to add both TCU and Missouri.

5.) Big East (after dropping Temple) sheds the Big LEast label by adding a football helmet duo (ND & PSU) and a basketball blue blood duo (UK and UL)

ACC
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
NC State
North Carolina
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Wake Forest
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BIG EAST
Boston College
Kentucky
Louisville
Miami
Notre Dame
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
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BIG TEN
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Iowa State
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin
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BIG 12
Baylor
BYU
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Utah
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PAC TEN
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State
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SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Mississippi State
Missouri
Ole Miss
TCU
Tennessee
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2018, 04:03:04 PM »
No Baylor...

Swap ISU for Nebraska and I could mostly get behind that lineup.
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