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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2023, 06:40:10 PM »


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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2023, 07:58:34 PM »
There was a guy on the old board that did a weekly "bottom ten" that was rather amusing. 
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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2023, 09:16:37 PM »
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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2023, 01:11:26 PM »
Longhorns at 1?
You been trying some of Bama's finest there rolltide ?
honestly, thought you guys were pretty good last year. took us to wire and had some injury bad luck. got a lot returning, including one of those all powerful qb's that's all the rage nowadays.

also, don't tell anyone, but this also makes it convenient if we lose to y'all early while still sorting out stuff, including qb. kind of a built in excuse, and when we get stuff sorted later on we deserve a rematch in cfp. and if we win, well we just beat the might #1 texas.

genuinely do think you'll be contender this year though. makes me quite nervous for our early game.

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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2023, 01:21:30 PM »
honestly, thought you guys were pretty good last year. took us to wire and had some injury bad luck. got a lot returning, including one of those all powerful qb's that's all the rage nowadays.

also, don't tell anyone, but this also makes it convenient if we lose to y'all early while still sorting out stuff, including qb. kind of a built in excuse, and when we get stuff sorted later on we deserve a rematch in cfp. and if we win, well we just beat the might #1 texas.

genuinely do think you'll be contender this year though. makes me quite nervous for our early game.
last year we lost a bunch of games that were very close

it just depends on winning the close ones this year

our defense is the key this year

just have to wait and see
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2023, 01:43:22 PM »
last year we lost a bunch of games that were very close

it just depends on winning the close ones this year

our defense is the key this year

just have to wait and see
I think that the prior seasons' close games tend to be an underrated factor.  Texas went 8-5 last year and I think most of us and the prognosticators just look at that as an 8-5 team but there is some room for nuance.  Texas had seven one-score games last year:  Two wins and all five losses:
  • L 20-19 to Bama:  Kicked a FG for a 19-17 lead with about 90 seconds to go and gave up a FG for the final margin as time was running out.  
  • L 37-34 to TxTech in OT.  
  • W 24-21 over ISU.  
  • W 34-27 over KSU:  Led by 10 late until a FG made it a one-score game.  
  • L 17-10 to TCU.  
  • L 27-20 to Washington.  
With just a slight improvement to roughly .500 in the close games Texas would have been 9-4 or 10-3 last year so it isn't a stretch to say that they don't have all that far to go to improve to CFP contender.  


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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2023, 01:45:28 PM »
that was said about UNL last season

improved from 3 wins to 4
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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2023, 01:53:08 PM »
Honestly the problem I'm having with this is amongst the teams closest to home. 

I obviously watched the last two installments of THE GAME. Based on that I have a hard time putting Ohio State ahead of Michigan. 

OTOH, I also watched both Ohio State's and Michigan's postseason performances the last two years and based on that I have a hard time putting Michigan ahead of Ohio State. 

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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2023, 02:06:27 PM »
Honestly the problem I'm having with this is amongst the teams closest to home.

I obviously watched the last two installments of THE GAME. Based on that I have a hard time putting Ohio State ahead of Michigan.

OTOH, I also watched both Ohio State's and Michigan's postseason performances the last two years and based on that I have a hard time putting Michigan ahead of Ohio State.



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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2023, 02:07:50 PM »
Do "we" let last season color our assessments too much?

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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2023, 02:25:08 PM »
Vis-a-vis my own team:
Ohio State's offense was great last year. They were:

  • 9th in the country in YPG at 490.7. That was first in the B1G by more than 30 YPG.
  • 14th in the country in passing YPG at 298.3. That was first in the B1G by 20 yards.
  • They were third in the B1G in rushing YPG although I don't think they were really all that good at it. Their high relative ranking was, IMHO, mostly the result of teams having to defend tOSU's passing attack and of tOSU frequently running to kill clock while holding a large lead.
Those are very good numbers but I honestly expected a lot more. 

First, Ohio State's passing attack in 2022:


Ohio State's top three of Harrison, Egbuka, Fleming was arguably the best in the country but the expected top three of JSN, Harrison, Egbuka would have been the absolute best WR Corps ever. 

Ohio State's rushing attack:
I expected Henderson to have a major breakout year but he barely played after early October. 

I expected Williams to be a capable backup and, initially, he stepped in and kept things on track but by the last two games his injuries limited him to just 42 yards on 11 carries.

By the time Ohio State got to the last two games (the two losses), the "feature" back was a recently converted LBer. I think that facilitated both the Wolverines and Bulldogs ability to focus on slowing down Ohio State's passing attack which, by that point, was the only serious threat. 

Injuries are part of the game. Everyone suffers them. I don't mean this post as excuses or crying over spilled milk. From my perspective it is simply a what could have been. 

Last year's tOSU offense with full-strength versions of JSN and Henderson is just scary to think about. 

What I expect this year:
  • The running game should be much better. 
  • The passing game will have one of the best WR Corps in the country so if the young QB's look anything like their STARS say they should, the Buckeyes will be solid there.
  • The defense improved substantially from 2021 to 2022 and I expect further improvement in 2023. 
Add it all up and I think that the team as a whole should be as good or better than last year. Last year's strength (the passing game) may slip but the team should be more balanced with a better running game and a better defense. 

Then I get to the hard part:
Looking at what I said above and the CFP Game where tOSU took a VERY good NC Georgia to the wire . . . I'd predict NC or at least a CFPCG appearance. 

Looking at what I said above and THE GAME where Ohio State just looked dazed . . . I don't think there is enough improvement to beat the Wolverines in their house.

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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2023, 02:36:58 PM »
Do "we" let last season color our assessments too much?
I don't think so. I think that at least most of us take turnover into account.

I don't really formalize this, but my basic process is:
  • Start with last year's results.
  • Adjust for surprises not likely to be duplicated (ie, TCU).
  • Adjust for close games: Meaning that Texas gets a bump because they went 2-5 in close games and a team that went 5-2 would get adjusted down.
  • Adjust for turnover: All teams have some turnover but this adjustment is based on a team having a lot less (Adjust up) or a lot more (Adjust down) than average.

So for my own team:
  • They finished #4.
  • That was not a surprise as they were considered to be a CFP contender going into the season.
  • Their only one-score game was the 42-41 loss to UGA. The other loss was by 22 and their closest win was by 11.
  • I *THINK* that Ohio State's turnover is roughly average especially considering that JSN isn't really a loss compared to 2022 since he barely played and they should get their top-2 RB's back.


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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2023, 02:43:51 PM »
Very logical.  I try the same approach, perhaps with some attention to the OL coming back, and how much the newbies played last season.  I view the OL as a "team" within the team, they have to play together well, understand assignments, etc.  (This is true for LBs and safeties of course.)

A QB who has been in the program 2-3 years and has some spot PT doesn't scare me as much as a transfer or frosh.  The Dawgs have a new OC who many say is going to "air it out" more than Moncken.

I would note that the "Alabama strategy" which so many have adopted where possible is to play so many on defense that you aren't hurt by departures, you have near starters who didn't start but played a lot coming back, and your newbies are highly regarded recruits.

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Re: Our Top Ten
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2023, 03:12:29 PM »
On the subject of top-10 teams close to home, Penn State:

The Nittany Lions went 11-2 and finished #7 last year. Their projected starting QB this year is a freshman who went to my local HS and I can tell you was PHENOMENAL in HS.

I don't think last year was a big surprise. 

Last season's one-score games:

  • Won 35-31 at Purdue opening weekend. 

I think their turnover is about average. 

So Penn State looks like a top-10 team and a CFP contender to me. Their problem is that they are in a division with both Michigan and Ohio State. 

Last year they lost 41-17 at Michigan. That is 24 points so if you treat HFA as 3-5 it would be a 19-21 point loss at a neutral field or a 14-18 point loss at home. It is hard to see Penn State overcoming that.

Last year they lost 44-31 at home to Ohio State which is closer but if you adjust for HFA it is about the same. 

 

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