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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #168 on: December 26, 2024, 03:03:42 PM »
I don't mean today, I meant as time passed.  They could have gone independent in the late 70s/80s when there were a ton of other independents.  They could have easily been a Big East program, had they elevated their program just a little during the 80s.

From there, who knows?  Rutgers in the Big Ten still doesn't make sense to this day.  Cal is in the freakin' ACC.  But I was just wondering aloud how Toledo failed to build on its successes from the 60s and 70s, that's all.
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #169 on: December 26, 2024, 03:11:26 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2024, 03:03:42 PM
I don't mean today, I meant as time passed.  They could have gone independent in the late 70s/80s when there were a ton of other independents.  They could have easily been a Big East program, had they elevated their program just a little during the 80s.

From there, who knows?  Rutgers in the Big Ten still doesn't make sense to this day.  Cal is in the freakin' ACC.  But I was just wondering aloud how Toledo failed to build on its successes from the 60s and 70s, that's all.
NIU quit the MAC and went Indy. Didn't go well. Then they joined the Big West and went Indy again as you are suggesting here. It failed miserably.
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #170 on: December 26, 2024, 03:34:58 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2024, 03:03:42 PM
I don't mean today, I meant as time passed.  They could have gone independent in the late 70s/80s when there were a ton of other independents.  They could have easily been a Big East program, had they elevated their program just a little during the 80s.
Fair. I don't know why they didn't make any previous moves. Never really thought of them as anything because they were "just another MAC school" to me. 
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #171 on: December 26, 2024, 04:09:57 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 26, 2024, 03:11:26 PM
NIU quit the MAC and went Indy. Didn't go well. Then they joined the Big West and went Indy again as you are suggesting here. It failed miserably.
NIU doesn't have anything near the historical success Toledo had, does it?  
Maybe it was too large a risk to take.  Idk.
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #172 on: December 26, 2024, 04:17:00 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2024, 04:09:57 PM
NIU doesn't have anything near the historical success Toledo had, does it? 
Maybe it was too large a risk to take.  Idk.
Not even close.

NIU figured its position in the Chicago market would carry more weight than it did. They foolishly thought someone like the Big 8 might come calling.
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #173 on: December 26, 2024, 05:16:11 PM »
Toledo fat guy touchdown!
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #174 on: December 26, 2024, 07:30:37 PM »
Toledo beat Pitt again. They have collected a lot of P5 scalps over the years, including Penn State and the Wolverines. 
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #175 on: December 26, 2024, 09:09:41 PM »
TWELVING x2 today!!!  Arky St and BG better bring it!
« Last Edit: December 26, 2024, 09:55:07 PM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #176 on: December 27, 2024, 07:59:47 AM »

Which teams/conferences led the pack in twelving this year? 

It seems like there's been an inordinate amount of twelving outside of the Twelve. 

It also seems like the Twelve has been twelving a little bit less under their current alignment. 
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #177 on: December 27, 2024, 08:56:13 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2024, 03:03:42 PM
I don't mean today, I meant as time passed.  They could have gone independent in the late 70s/80s when there were a ton of other independents.  They could have easily been a Big East program, had they elevated their program just a little during the 80s.

From there, who knows?  Rutgers in the Big Ten still doesn't make sense to this day.  Cal is in the freakin' ACC.  But I was just wondering aloud how Toledo failed to build on its successes from the 60s and 70s, that's all.
They weren't all that good in the late 70s/80s?

I'd bet the history went something like this. They, like every other successful MAC team, probably pined for a Big 10 invite, but one never game.

The value of going independent was pretty low historically. It usually came over some conflict or fit or just getting dumb big eyes. It's a tough space to be in, and to be fair, Toledo has mostly been a MAC-level school and the MAC a good conference for a school like Toledo.

It's worth noting, the conference moves you mentioned are both modern era, and one or both are basically an accidents and luck. Back when Toledo could build on something, there wasn't anywhere great to go. And it was neither a big land-grant school, nor did it have a legendary coach that made it relevant every year (the path for several of the three big independent success stories).
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #178 on: December 27, 2024, 12:50:43 PM »
I didn’t expect Oklahoma would come in really wanting this, but there they are. 
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #179 on: December 27, 2024, 01:15:09 PM »
I just noticed that UNC and UCONN are playing a game tomorrow in Boston . . . in football.  Can we just call this the "I wish this were a basketball game Bowl"?
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #180 on: December 27, 2024, 05:20:04 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 27, 2024, 12:50:43 PM
I didn’t expect Oklahoma would come in really wanting this, but there they are.

And then OU proceeded to close shop for the rest of the day - Navy wins Armed Forces Bowl 21-20.


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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #181 on: December 27, 2024, 08:53:40 PM »
Why aren't those Navy's uniforms forever?!?
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