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Topic: Other Bowl Games

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bayareabadger

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2024, 10:04:09 AM »
I don't think it's all that weird, just the next phase of a long and probably inevitable transition.

A couple of decades ago, even though the games didn't matter, the players still wanted to be part of the team, get the free trip, get the swag.  It wasn't really "acceptable" to opt out, you were viewed as not being a team player, and it was a concern that this was something that could potentially hurt your draft stock.

Then, a handful of players did it, and the NFL didn't view it as a negative thing, and then more kids did it, and now it's become common, with no stigma attached to those who opt out as being "me first" guys.  Seems like a pretty reasonable and predictable evolution to me.
That was tongue in cheek. We’re in agreement. 

I hope they start paying kids to play in them. 

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2024, 10:06:04 AM »
That was tongue in cheek. We’re in agreement.

I hope they start paying kids to play in them.
Ha! Sorry.  My sarcasm meter is apparently broken this morning.  I blame the weekend's birthday festivities.

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2024, 10:23:21 AM »
That was tongue in cheek. We’re in agreement.

I hope they start paying kids to play in them.

Funny enough, the current players that are getting paid -- are the most likely to sit out.

I think if you are getting NIL money, you must play.  

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2024, 10:24:03 AM »
I can't believe this is a real bowl. I had to Google this one. How did Snoop become America's sweetheart?
Well, to an extent once he stopped running around with a bad crowd*, he looked much cleaner in comparison.

 * By which I mean the convicted felon Martha Stewart

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2024, 12:34:23 PM »
I can't believe this is a real bowl. I had to Google this one. How did Snoop become America's sweetheart?
I'm disappointed it's not being played in California's Emerald Triangle.

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2024, 07:24:51 PM »
Hey @Cincydawg is your underdog plan to bet everyone straight up or against the spread? I might test this theory out

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2024, 09:00:29 PM »
The spread. 

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« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2024, 09:50:12 PM »
Ha! Sorry.  My sarcasm meter is apparently broken this morning.  I blame the weekend's birthday festivities.



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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2024, 07:34:25 AM »
The spread.
Put money on it, we’ll see if your theory works.

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2024, 09:04:21 AM »
I've done it on paper in past years and it "works" to an extent, but sometimes it doesn't cover the vig.  You won't make any real money if it works.  I THINK bettors over value favorites in bowl games, not regular games.

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2024, 09:24:00 AM »
One would think it would be hard to bet on these non-playoff bowls where the most talented players may sit it out.
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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2024, 09:57:51 AM »
The easy bet is to bet the dog and take the points.  But, as I say, the advantage is rather slight in the past.

Why the Point Spread Hasn't Mattered When Betting Bowl Game Underdogs | The Action Network
Why the Point Spread Hasn't Mattered When Betting Bowl Game Underdogs | The Action Network

Bowl season (most of it, anyway) pits college football's best teams against one another. It seems like the perfect time to take underdogs with the points, figuring the dog can keep it close given the relative talent and ability of each team is closer to even.
But that just hasn't been the case during bowl season. Underdogs usually win outright, or the favorite wins and covers the spread. It's the same way in the Super Bowl. This isn't a predictive trend — there's no guarantee it will continue happening — but it's interesting nonetheless.
During the regular season, underdogs cover the spread but lose the game about 27% of the time, and win the game outright 23.5% of the time.00:17


In bowl season, dogs cover and lose just 15% of the time, while they win 36% of games outright.
Let me explain further.

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There are four possible results when betting college football games against the spread.
  • The favorite wins and covers the spread
  • The favorite wins, but doesn't cover the spread
  • The underdog wins the game outright (which means it also covers the spread)
  • push (favorite wins by the exact point spread)
During the regular season, underdogs win 23% of games outright. In bowl season, they win almost 37% of the time.
We have 563 bowl games (excluding pushes and pick'ems) in our Bet Labs database which goes back to 2005, which is around the time that college football changed with modern recruiting and modern offenses.
In those games, very few underdogs have covered but lost.
[th]Result[/th]
[th]Instances[/th]
[th]Percentage[/th]
Dog Won20636.59%
Dog Covered & Lost8515.1%
Fav. Won & Covered27248.31%
And this pattern is nothing new.
Since 1980, using KillerSports.com, the results from all bowl games are remarkably similar:
[th]Result[/th]
[th]Instances[/th]
[th]Percentage[/th]
Dog Won36036.33%
Dog Covered & Lost14814.93%
Fav. Won & Covered48348.74%
In 26,417 regular season games since 1980 (excluding pick'ems and pushes)…
[th]Result[/th]
[th]Instances[/th]
[th]Percentage[/th]
Dog Won6,19823.46%
Dog Covered & Lost7,05126.69%
Fav. Won & Covered13,16849.85%
In bowl games, the point spread comes into play (the underdog covering but losing) about one in every seven games. During the regular season, it's about one in four.
But the Teams Are Better and the Spreads Are Smaller … Right?
You can't just use winning percentages in this exercise, because there are often huge underdogs during the regular season that have little chance of winning outright. You rarely see a bowl game spread that high because the teams are better and more evenly matched.
So we have to look at it with a betting lens. And it still works when you consider betting ROI.
Blindly betting every dog straight-up in a bowl game since 2005 has yielded a 4.3% ROI and +24 units, even after a disastrous year for underdogs in 2020.
This "trend" isn't reliable every year. It's had good ones and bad. And it in part relies on one or two big underdogs to cash each year to be profitable.



Why Does This Happen?
The easiest explanation is motivation, but I don't know if it's the complete one.
Point spreads are largely derived from power ratings based on a team's entire body of work. They don't fully account for whether or not a team wants to be in Shreveport, La., the day after Christmas.
If a big favorite just doesn't show up, it can easily lose outright.
But the fact that the numbers look similar from 1980 and from 2005 make the motivation argument shakier.
When there were just 15 bowl games in 1980, every team should have been motivated. It was a big deal to play in the postseason, much different from today, with 40+ bowl games on the slate.
I think it's some combination of motivation, failure by the betting market to properly compare strength of teams in different conferences, and coaching aggression.
Are There Specific Types of Dogs to Target?
Yes and no. You can cherry pick more profitable trends by moving the spread by half a point or a point. It's mostly noise.
Generally, betting Group of 5 teams in this spot has been successful, and even more successful when they play a Power 5 team.
But the real money has been made with underdogs in the 3-7 point range.



The units are buoyed by some big underdogs cashing — Texas over Georgia in 2018, Oklahoma over Alabama in 2014, UCF over Auburn in 2017 and Baylor in 2014, Louisville over Florida in 2013. They were all 4-1 or better to win outright.
What Should I Take Away From This?
Like I mentioned, this "trend" has had good and bad years. It's been profitable in four of the six College Football Playoff years, since the playoff has created a perceived lack of emphasis on other bowl games. But here are some key takeaways:
1. No favorite moneyline parlays. Tying a handful of big favorites in a moneyline parlay for an even-money payout is becoming an increasingly popular betting option, but it doesn't make sense in bowl season. If you really like the favorite, bet on it to cover.
2. No teasers. You should never tease college games anyway because of the scoring variance, but especially during bowl season. You need to hit 72.3% of legs with a 6-point teaser to be profitable, and bowl underdogs have only hit 67.7% of the time since 1980. Favorites hit at 68%.
3. Sprinkle some Christmas cash on an underdog moneyline. That's the point of all this, right?
If you like an underdog this bowl season, don't be afraid to throw some change on that team to win outright.

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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2024, 10:22:12 AM »
We should set it up on this thread, do the exercise on paper and see how it turns out.  Fictitious bets of $10 based on whatever line seems the most appropriate, draftkings or whatever (I'm no gambler, couldn't tell you what the correct lines are to use).


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Re: Other Bowl Games
« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2024, 10:27:49 AM »
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