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« Reply #4578 on: March 29, 2025, 05:48:24 PM »
Same thing with the Declaration of Independence. It was regarded as an afterthought in its own time.

maybe some of you historians can set me straight.
The Battles of Lexington and Concord initiated armed conflict between Britain and the 13 colonies. The Declaration sealed the deal there was no turning back the bridges had been burnt. Balsy bastards

This was problematic

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor
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« Reply #4579 on: March 30, 2025, 12:31:04 AM »

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« Reply #4580 on: March 30, 2025, 09:38:23 AM »
There were more than 13 British colonies, and the ones in the far north stayed loyal to the crown, eventually becoming Canada. Ontario was set up as a gathering place for loyalists living across the 13 colonies. 


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« Reply #4581 on: March 30, 2025, 10:13:27 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs Signed (1961)
In 1961, representatives from 73 nations met at United Nations headquarters to draft an international treaty to fight the production, trade, and use of illegal drugs. Their comprehensive convention replaced a prior patchwork of treaties and was entered into force in 1964. It was amended in 1972 and now has more than 180 signatories. Despite its sweeping breadth, the document contains a significant ambiguity that has been interpreted differently by various nations.
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« Reply #4582 on: March 31, 2025, 01:09:07 AM »
Wisc. @ Minnesota 1904. This was the year my grandfather was born.

Look at the several people on utility poles viewing the game at Northrop Field in Minneapolis:
Football Game, Wisconsin versus Minnesota at Northrop Field - Northrop Field - Wikipedia
Some Gopher fans seem to so despise Wisconsin they would risk losing their own life to see if Minnesota would defeat Wisconsin at football.
The pole climbers were rewarded with a 28-0 win, provided they didn't fall to their death.


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« Reply #4583 on: March 31, 2025, 07:48:06 AM »
On this Day in History
1831 Quebec and Montreal are incorporated

1880 1st town to claim to be completely illuminated by electric lighting (Wabash, Indiana)

1889 Eiffel Tower officially opens for dignitaries and an award ceremony in Paris, France; designed by Gustave Eiffel and built for the Exposition Universelle, at 300 meters high, it holds the record for the tallest man-made structure for 41 years

1931 Brilliant Notre Dame football coach Knute Rockne (43) is killed with 7 others when light plane crashes on trip from Kansas City to Los Angeles; record 105-12-5 @ .881 remains best ever

1932 Ford publicly unveils its V-8 engine

1939 "The Hound of Baskervilles" first of 14 films starring Basil Rathbone as Sherlock Holmes and Nigel Bruce as Dr. Watson is released

1945 US artillery lands on Keise Shima/begins firing on Okinawa

1948 US Congress passes Marshall Aid Act to rehabilitate war-torn Europe

1949 Newfoundland becomes Canada's 10th province

1949 RCA Victor of Camden, New Jersey, introduces the 45 RPM record player and the 7-inch single, a vinyl disc more durable than the 78 RPM shellac

1954 USSR offers to join NATO

1958 USSR suspends nuclear weapons tests, & urges US & Britain to do same

1967 Jimi Hendrix first burns his guitar (and his fingers) at Finsbury Park Astoria theatre in London; the guitar is sold at auction for nearly $500K, the building is currently a church

1969 NY Times reviews "Slaughterhouse-Five" by Kurt Vonnegut on its publication, saying "you'll either love it, or push it back in the science-fiction corner"

1970 Federal bankruptcy court allows Seattle Pilots to be sold to Milwaukee

1971 William Calley sentenced to life for Mi Lai Massacre

1972 Final day of the rum ration in the Royal Canadian Navy


1973 Muhammad Ali suffers a broken jaw in a shock split-points decision loss to Ken Norton over 12 rounds in San Diego; Ali wins rematch in another controversial split decision

1980 Almost concurrent heavyweight boxing championship fights: Larry Holmes TKOs Leroy Jones in 8 for WBC title in Las Vegas, NV whilst Mike Weaver KOs John Tate in 15 for WBA belt in Knoxville, TN (I watched the Tate/Weaver fight all Tate had to do is stay away from Weaver - who dropped him cold in the last round)

1983 "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life," is released in the US

1994 Chicago White Sox assigns former NBA superstar Michael Jordan to the Birmingham Barons of Class AA Southern League; returns to NBA after one season

1996 First time in MLB history, the regular season opens in March with Seattle Mariners beating Chicago White Sox, 3-2 in 12 innings at the Kingdome, Seattle

1998 Milwaukee becomes first team since the inception of the American League in 1901 to switch MLB leagues; Brewers lose first NL game, 2-1 to the Braves in Atlanta

2021 New York state legalizes recreational use of marijuana in legislation signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo (sales not legal for 18 months)



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« Reply #4584 on: March 31, 2025, 08:59:51 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

UNIVAC Computer Delivered to the US Census Bureau (1951)
By 1870, the US population was so large that hand-counting the census was no longer feasible. Despite the invention of a counting machine, by the time the 1880 census was tabulated, it was almost 1890. Dealing with so much data remained a problem until the late 1940s, when the Census Bureau commissioned the first civilian computer. In 1951, it was used to count part of the 1950 census and was so successful that the bureau bought another.
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« Reply #4585 on: March 31, 2025, 09:07:54 AM »
1931 Brilliant Notre Dame football coach Knute Rockne (43) is killed with 7 others when light plane crashes on trip from Kansas City to Los Angeles; record 105-12-5 @ .881 remains best ever
brilliant?

Bugeaters gave him 3 of those losses and a tie
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« Reply #4586 on: March 31, 2025, 10:37:20 AM »
I get that couldn't even beat the bugeaters WTH 
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« Reply #4587 on: March 31, 2025, 03:56:22 PM »
The discussion of the settlement of Ohio specifically and the Midwest generally got me thinking about the Erie Canal which has always fascinated me.  

Backstory:
When the Europeans first settled North America they obviously lived right along the coast and moved inland later.  Most of the inward migration was along rivers.  Specifically, a Geographic Feature that is unknown to most people was EXTREMELY important to the early North American settlers.  

That feature is called the "Fall Line" and is the most inland navigable point on the rivers flowing to the coast.  On nearly all the large rivers along the Atlantic Coast of the US, there is a fairly large City right at the Fall Line.  

Ocean-going sailing ships of the day could navigate inland along the rivers to the fall line.  Thus, transport of goods (mostly agricultural products) from the colonies (later states) was relatively cheap up to that point.  Then, within the area immediately surrounding that, goods could be transported by horse or ox cart to the Cities that sprung up along the Fall Line then loaded onto ships for transport into the worldwide economy.  The reverse was true for manufactured goods.  England has been short on land for centuries but was the first Nation to Industrialize so mostly this trade meant grain and other agricultural products from North America to England and manufactured goods from England to North America.  

The problem is that the fall line along the Atlantic seaboard is fairly close to the coast so only a fairly small portion of North America could connect with the global economy in this way.  Beyond that, shipping grain by horse or ox quickly becomes cost-prohibitive.  

Side Note:
All over New England there are forests where farms used to be.  Prior to modern Transport (starting with the Erie Canal) it wasn't cost effective to ship agricultural products from the Midwest to the East Coast so the food to feed the people living in Coastal cities had to be grown within a fairly short distance of those cities so that it could be shipped by horse/ox cart.  This, however, was very difficult.  New England's soils are notoriously rocky and not very flat unlike the soils of the Midwest that are more-or-less ideal for growing grains.  

Farmers further away couldn't cost effectively ship grain so what they typically did was to distill their grain into spirits because liquor is less bulky and thus more cost-effective to ship.  This was the underlying cause of the Whiskey Rebellion.  

Back to the backstory:
The one major exception to this issue was the Mississippi river.  There are no natural obstacles to navigation along the Mississippi for hundreds of miles inland.  However, there were still problems including:

  • The Mississippi flows generally N->S rather than W->E so as you move inland along it the climate changes.  Ie, you can't just move your Louisiana farm to Iowa because the weather is different.  It would be much easier to move E->W because the weather is generally similar at similar latitudes.  
  • Even though transport DOWN the Mississippi was feasible there was no good way to go UP the Mississippi.  There isn't much point in selling grain if you can't get anything in return.  
  • There was a natural falls at Louisville on the Ohio River.  This generally flooded over in the spring so it was navigable for a few weeks or a month every year but not year-around.  

The result of all of this was that if you lived in Western New York, Western Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc prior to the opening of the Erie Canal, you were basically off the grid and not really part of the global economy.  These people were mostly subsistence farmers and they had to do all of their own manufacturing.  It simply wasn't cost effective to ship the agricultural products out or the manufactured goods (clothes, shoes, farm implements, etc) in.  

Some trade did happen.  River boats were built all along the Mississippi and it's tributaries, filled with grain, and floated down to NOLA where the grain was sold for transport on Oceangoing ships and the ships were sold for lumber either to build Oceangoing ships or NOLA's houses.  This, however, was limited.  

Then, in 1825 the Erie Canal opened.  Agricultural products from anywhere within reasonable shipping distance of Lake Erie, Lake Huron, Lake Michigan, or Lake Superior or the various rivers that flow into them could be shipped across the great lakes to Buffalo then along the Erie Canal to Albany, then down the Hudson to NYC and into the Global Economy.  In reverse, Manufactured Goods from all over the world could be shipped to NYC, up the Hudson to Albany, along the Erie Canal to Buffalo, and across the great lakes to all of the upper Midwest.  


I find it amazing to think of this in more personal terms.  Imagine that your father fought in the Revolution and that you were born in Connecticut a few years after the war in say 1790.  Then suppose that your father relocated the family to land given to him by the State of Connecticut for his service in the Revolution so you, your siblings, and your parents moved to Medina, Ohio (or similar) in 1803 right when Ohio became a State.  

You'd have been 13 when you helped your family clear fields for farming and build a log cabin or similar structure literally in the wilderness.  Then for a little better than 20 years you'd have lived like that, as a subsistence farmer in the wilderness with little-or-no connection to the outside world.  You may have had cousins your age who stayed behind in Connecticut and you'd never see them and probably not even be able to communicate by letter because there wasn't a Post Office in the wilderness where you lived.  For those 20 years you'd have grown your own food and made basically EVERYTHING you needed from shoes to plows to shirts to saddles you'd have had to make it all yourself.  

Then in 1825 the Erie Canal opened and suddenly ships just ~30 miles from your home in Cleveland would have been available to ship your Agricultural Products out and to bring back shoes, clothes, plows, saddles, etc.  

In the same year that the Erie Canal opened, Ohio began construction of the Ohio and Erie Canal from Cleveland to Portsmouth.  That shortened the distance you needed to haul things even more because Medina is only about 20 miles from the closest point along that canal which opened fully in 1832 when this hypothetical child born in 1790 was 42.  

At that point you'd have also been able to send mail to your long lost cousins back in Connecticut.  Within a few more years you'd have been able to take a train to visit them.  

We think of the pace of change as being faster today but I'm not so sure.  The change from being a wilderness settler at the age of 35 to being a connected part of the global economy at the age of 42 to taking a train (unheard of when you were born) to visit relatives hundreds of miles away when you were in your 50's is staggering.  

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4588 on: March 31, 2025, 07:13:30 PM »
What were the approximate dimensions of the Erie Canal ?  From what I remember in school it was very narrow and mules would drag the barges up and down. The mules were obviously on shore, I have no idea of the pulling arrangement. And was it hand dug?  I would think there was no machinery at the time. I know it was very important in its day. 

On a side note, did anyone else sing the Erie Canal song in school like we did ?  I vaguely recall something about 16 miles up the Erie Canal. 

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« Reply #4589 on: March 31, 2025, 07:22:23 PM »
On a side note, did anyone else sing the Erie Canal song in school like we did ?  I vaguely recall something about 16 miles up the Erie Canal.
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« Reply #4590 on: March 31, 2025, 07:34:40 PM »
I was up in wine country for most of this ancestry talk...

Is it "weird" that I don't really give a sh!t about the "history" of my family ancestry? I mean, maybe I can't claim to be a direct descendant of Richard the Lionheart like so many I've heard claim... I'm just an Eastern European mutt with ancestors who came in the late 1800s from Poland, Ukraine, Germany, and Austria (as best we can tell). 

But if I think of my cultural lineage as an American, I think more of the Magna Carta->Glorious Revolution->Scottish Enlightenment->American Revolution and the like. I feel like English Common Law drives more of my cultural heritage than anything that happened in Eastern Europe. Except for my love of sauerkraut, which must be genetic...

Maybe I'm just not into all that... But I just don't feel like it's all that important. Which is probably a "me" problem...

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« Reply #4591 on: March 31, 2025, 10:14:37 PM »
I was up in wine country for most of this ancestry talk...

Is it "weird" that I don't really give a sh!t about the "history" of my family ancestry? I mean, maybe I can't claim to be a direct descendant of Richard the Lionheart like so many I've heard claim... I'm just an Eastern European mutt with ancestors who came in the late 1800s from Poland, Ukraine, Germany, and Austria (as best we can tell).

But if I think of my cultural lineage as an American, I think more of the Magna Carta->Glorious Revolution->Scottish Enlightenment->American Revolution and the like. I feel like English Common Law drives more of my cultural heritage than anything that happened in Eastern Europe. Except for my love of sauerkraut, which must be genetic...

Maybe I'm just not into all that... But I just don't feel like it's all that important. Which is probably a "me" problem...
I’m with you. None of my ancestors were remotely rich or famous that I can tell. I figure that in order to leave their country behind with little more than their clothes and maybe a trunk or something they were probably pretty poor. I really don’t know much about them past my great grandparents. Surprisingly you can find out a lot of info from find-a-grave. 

 

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