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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3514 on: June 07, 2024, 04:32:07 PM »


Population might be a better metric.

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« Reply #3515 on: June 07, 2024, 10:42:45 PM »
"Let us endeavor so to live - that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

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« Reply #3516 on: June 08, 2024, 07:49:07 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 
US Postal Service's First and Only Delivery of "Missile Mail" (1959)
In 1959, the US Navy assisted the US Post Office Department—predecessor of today's US Postal Service—in its search for a faster form of mail transportation. The USPS tried its first and only delivery of "missile mail" when a Navy submarine fired a guided cruise missile containing 3,000 pieces of mail off the Florida coast. Twenty-two minutes later, the missile landed at a naval station in Mayport, Florida.
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« Reply #3517 on: June 08, 2024, 09:44:07 AM »
The history of Savannah's river port begins with slave grown rice and cotton for the triangle trade to timber and pulp at the turn of the century. In the past decades the Port of Georgia has become a modern container port which is the only port in the United States that exports almost as much as it imports. Yet the buildings on what remains of the now endangered historic landmark river street have only survived by accident. By the early 1900s what is now river street was largely abandoned as the ports moved up and down river. Today it is a hub of tourism and hotel development. This essay reveals how while Savannah's port infrastructure grew and continues to thrive outside the historic city, the ports earliest architectures some dating back to the early 19th century were almost entirely lost and what remains of its historic fabric, and more importantly its actual history remain fragile.

The remaining historic structures are largely downriver (east) of city hall. These were built for the slave trade. Since 17
Savannah exported slave-grown local rice and some Sea Island cotton (1992 Joyce Chaplin). The 1834 arrival of the railroad allowed what was then the capital of Georgia to export slave-grown cotton from the interior. In addition to crops, Savannah was home to the largest industrial plantation in the country. The McCalprin plantation (now demolished), with over 400 slaves, cut lumber and produced most of the bricks that built Savannah prior to the Civil War.

The enslaved people in Savannah built virtually all of the buildings in the city up to 1861 without compensation. Following the war, their descendants continue to provide most of the construction labor.  The surviving structures from the slave trade include the Barracoons (Now known as the Cluskey Embankment), John Stoddard's Upper and Lower Range Warehouses, begun in 1858 along with a small handful of 1850s warehouses. Later buildings include the 1876 Thomas Gamble Building, the 1886 Cotton Exchange (now Masonic Lodge), by William Preston. By 1874 exports expanded beyond cotton to include naval stores derived from the abundant southern pine forest, including pitch, resin, timber, and turpentine. By 1883 the port had expanded beyond the original waterfront to the west.



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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3518 on: June 08, 2024, 11:33:35 AM »
Armoured carriers and aircraft capacity.
When talking about the British armored carriers, it is often said that the protection was bought at the expense of aircraft capacity.
This is only half true.
The British Illustrious class aircraft carriers entered service in the years between the Yorktown and Essex class aircraft carriers. For this reason, the Illustrious class are often compared to them.
Compared to the Yorktown class, the  Illustrious class was slightly larger, having a design displacement of 23,000 tons vs 20,000 tons for the American carrier. However, the Yorktown class carried over 80 aircraft in service while the Illustrious class carried about 40 aircraft.
Even HMS Indomitable, a modification of the Illustrious class with a larger double stacked hangar (designed specifically to carry more aircraft), typically carried 48 aircraft in service.
A very large difference between the British and American carriers.
Typically it is said that this difference In aircraft capacity is due to the armored design of the British carrier. However, while the design of the Illustrious class did limit the size of the hangar, it was not that much of a difference.
Compared to the Yorktown class, the Illustrious class had a hangar that was slightly over 80% the size of the American carrier. The double hangar Indomitable actually had more space for aircraft than the Yorktown class. 
So why the huge difference in aircraft capacity?
The difference in capacity comes down to American carriers having a full time deck park. A deck park is the system of storing aircraft on the flightdeck and outside of the hangar.
The United States, in its quest to maximize the offensive capability of its carriers, carried more aircraft by carrying extra planes on the flight deck in addition to the normal complement inside the hangar.
Depending on the aircraft, carrier class, and ratio of aircraft types, the US Carriers carried as much as 25% to 35% of their aircraft on the flightdeck in a deck park.
It is less to do with the hangar capacity and more to do with the fact that the US Navy used its flightdeck for aircraft storage while the Royal Navy did not.
It's also worth pointing out that the Royal Navy did eventually adopt a similar deck park to increase the aircraft complement aboard its carriers (especially once they began to operate in the Pacific).
When utilizing a full time deck park, the Illustrious class saw their aircraft complement increase to 57 aircraft. HMS Indomitable remained at around 55 aircraft (no info on whether she received a deck park) while the Implacable class, based on Indomitable, rose to a capacity of just over 80 aircraft at the end of WW2, matching the Yorktown class. 
Factoring in the deck park, the British armored carriers were not that far behind the US Carriers in aircraft capacity.
*Note* The Essex class also used a full time deck park, allowing them to carry up to 110 aircraft. This, coupled with the fact that they were designed to an even larger 30,000 ton design, means that their capacity was vastly higher than the earlier British carriers. Hardly a fair comparison though it is often used when discussing the various carriers.


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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3519 on: June 08, 2024, 09:35:43 PM »
Vince Lombardi. One of the Seven Blocks of Granite at Fordham University in the 1930s

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« Reply #3520 on: June 09, 2024, 08:13:04 AM »
The Praetorian Guard

Initially used for the protection of Roman generals, the Praetorian Guard became the emperor's personal guard during the rule of Augustus, first leader of the Roman Empire. Upon his death in 14 CE, however, the Guard began to use its military strength to enforce its own political agenda. Soon, it moved into Rome, where it assassinated emperors, bullied its own prefects, and fought vicious street battles against Roman citizens.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3521 on: June 09, 2024, 08:28:41 AM »


CV-2, the original Lexington, was equipped originally with 8" guns, in addition to being a carrier.  They were removed early in 1942 and replaced with 5" gun mounts.


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« Reply #3522 on: June 10, 2024, 08:52:16 AM »
1974 Playboy pre-season All American Team. 
Huskers - #73 Marvin Crenshaw and #54 Rik Bonness representing!

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« Reply #3523 on: June 10, 2024, 08:54:48 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 
Alcoholics Anonymous Founded (1935)
Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is an international organization dedicated to helping alcoholics stop drinking and maintain their sobriety. It functions through local groups that meet regularly and emphasizes a 12-step recovery program that includes acknowledgment of the problem, faith in a "higher power," and a desire to change for the better and to help others recover. The organization was founded in 1935 by two alcoholics
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« Reply #3524 on: June 10, 2024, 08:55:09 AM »
I remember when that was "a thing of some note".  I read the stories.  Do they still publish Playboy as a magazine?

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« Reply #3525 on: June 10, 2024, 09:08:55 AM »

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« Reply #3526 on: June 10, 2024, 09:17:59 AM »


I visited there a while back, it's barely a hill of any note.  Had it been in the country I would not have noticed it as any hill at all.

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« Reply #3527 on: June 10, 2024, 09:19:59 AM »
Massachusetts  |  Jun 17, 1775

The American patriots were defeated at the Battle of Bunker Hill, but they proved they could hold their own against the superior British Army. The fierce fight confirmed that any reconciliation between England and her American colonies was no longer possible.

How it ended
British victory. The battle was a tactical victory for the British, but it was a sobering experience. The British sustained twice as many casualties as the Americans and lost many officers. After the engagement, the patriots retreated and returned to their lines outside the perimeter of Boston.

In context
By early 1775 tensions between Britain and her colonies had escalated. The colonists began to mobilize for war, while the British Army secured gunpowder and cannon in anticipation of an uprising. On April 19, it all came to a head in the Massachusetts towns of Lexington and Concord.  After that historic engagement, the British retreated to their camp in Boston, and local militias prepared for future British attacks. Militiamen marched to defend Boston, some from as far away as Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and what is now the state of Vermont.
British Commander-in-Chief General Sir Thomas Gage was under pressure to quash the colonial rebellion. By June, he had reinforcements and was ready to implement a new strategy. The British Army planned to launch an attack against the Americans on the heights north and south of Boston. Details of the attack were leaked, however, and a detachment of 1,000 Massachusetts and Connecticut soldiers—more of an armed mob than a military unit—gathered to defend a hill in Charlestown. Among the defenders were several enslaved and free African Americans as well. The violent clash of these forces on what is mistakenly known as “Bunker Hill” signaled that the colonial revolt would not be easily extinguished.


 

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