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« Reply #910 on: August 03, 2022, 11:00:57 AM »
Atlanta's image challenged by facts of 1906 race massacre

https://apnews.com/article/Atlanta-race-massacre-9d738b6fa08d26ec91adfcd8fff30f7f
ATLANTA (AP) — Everyone who moves through downtown Atlanta today passes places where innocent Black men and women were pulled from trolleys, shot in their workplaces, chased through the streets and beaten to death by a mob of 10,000 white men and boys.

But few have been taught about the 1906 Atlanta Race Massacre, which shaped the city’s geography, economy, society and power structure in lasting ways. Much like the Red Summer of 1919 in the South and Northeast and the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921 in Oklahoma would years later, the white-on-Black violence in Atlanta shattered dreams of racial harmony and forced thousands from their homes.

A grassroots coalition is working to restore Atlanta’s killings and their legacy to public memory. Historic markers and tours are planned for this September’s anniversary. A one-act play will be performed simultaneously at group dinners across the city. Organizers are seeking 500 hosts, with the ambitious goal of seating 5,000 people to discuss the lasting effects.

These activists say the massacre doesn’t fit comfortably in Atlanta’s “cradle of the civil rights movement” narrative, but they insist on truth-telling as some politicians push to ignore the nation’s history of racial violence.

Mislabeled a riot, the killings of at least 25 Black people and the destruction of Black-owned businesses had a specific purpose: thwarting their economic success and voting power before African-Americans could claim equal status, said King Williams, a journalist who gives tours describing what happened.

“The mob began its work early in the evening, pulling negroes from street cars and beating them with clubs, bricks and stones,” The Associated Press reported on Sept. 24, 1906, adding that “negroes were beaten, cut and stamped upon in an unreasoning, mad frenzy. If a negro ventured resistance or remonstrated, it meant practically sure death.”

The violence began where Georgia State University’s campus is now. Enraged by unsupported headlines about attacks on white women and the evils of “race-mixing,” the mob set fire to saloons and pounced on Black men and women headed home from work, Williams explains on the tour.

Their next target was the “Crystal Palace,” an opulent barbershop where Alonzo Herndon made his first fortune catering to white elites. Poorer white people couldn’t stomach such success by a Black man and shattered the place, Williams says.
Bodies were stacked at the statue of newspaperman Henry Grady. Williams describes Grady as a post-Civil War “demagogue who championed Atlanta, but also championed a lot of the racial rhetoric that we still see echoing today.” His statue is four blocks from CNN Center, and for most people “it’s just a thing they walk by,” Williams said.

Steps from there, some Black people either jumped or were thrown from the Forsyth Street bridge onto the railroad tracks below. Others reached shelter inside the gates of the Gammon Theological Seminary in Brownsville, a thriving African American neighborhood 3 miles (5 kilometers) to the south.

That’s where the mob, now “deputized” as law enforcers, came searching for weapons on the third day, ransacking businesses and pulling women and children from their homes. One white officer was killed and some 250 Black people were arrested, including 60 who were convicted. Not one white person was held responsible for any of the deaths, community organizer Ann Hill Bond said.

Community organizer Ann Hill Bond explains what happened in the Brownsville community during the 1906 Atlanta Race Massacre on June 10, 2022, in Atlanta, Georgia. Few have been taught about the 1906 Atlanta Race Massacre, which shaped the city’s geography, economy, society and power structure in lasting ways. Much like the Red Summer of 1919 in the South and Northeast and the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921 in Oklahoma would years later, the white-on-Black violence in Atlanta shattered dreams of racial harmony and forced thousands from their homes. 
The cause was not in doubt. Atlanta Constitution editor Clark Howell and former Atlanta Journal publisher Hoke Smith had outdone each other vowing to disenfranchise Black voters while campaigning for governor. As Election Day approached, the papers printed baseless stories about attempted attacks on white women.

A Fulton County grand jury cited “inflammatory headlines” for fomenting the violence, but when “Voice of the Negro” publisher J. Maxwell Barber tied those articles to the racist campaigns, he was run out of town.

Once governor, Smith signed laws that kept most Black people from voting for another half-century. Thousands abandoned Atlanta, which became two-thirds white by 1910, the Census showed.
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« Reply #911 on: August 03, 2022, 11:20:48 AM »
The HS nearest me was called Grady HS, now it's midtown HS.  They have an amazing football stadium.

Atlantans like not to be reminded of this.

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« Reply #912 on: August 03, 2022, 11:25:57 AM »
I understand why some history needs to be remembered

I understand why some should be forgotten
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« Reply #913 on: August 03, 2022, 11:30:13 AM »
May be a black-and-white image of 2 people and text that says 'Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations. -Geoge Orwell'
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« Reply #914 on: August 03, 2022, 11:31:11 AM »
Atlanta did pretty well during the racial strife in the 60s mostly because it had pretty enlightened mayors at the time.

The city seems to be doing OK now, though crime has been up of late.

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« Reply #915 on: August 05, 2022, 09:17:20 AM »

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« Reply #916 on: August 05, 2022, 11:55:45 AM »
The Seven Days Campaign — A Turning Point More Important than Antietam? | HistoryNet

That was a fascinating read and brings up an interesting counterfactual hypothetical that isn't implausible. 

Suppose that Johnston hadn't been wounded at Seven Pines:
  • Lee doesn't get promoted because Johnston remains able to command the Army of Northern Virginia. 
  • McCelland's Peninsula Campaign is successful because the less aggressive Johnston simply keeps retreating.
  • The Union captures Richmond in mid-1862 and the war ends then.
  • The Emancipation Proclamation never gets issued so slavery remains in place.
  • The South suffers MUCH less destruction because the war lasts only a little over a year rather than dragging on for four years.
  • Democrat McCelland rather than Republican Grant is the war-winning general and future President. 
  • The vast majority of Civil War casualties never occur.

America in 1880 or 1900 could be very different from the actual timeline.


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« Reply #917 on: August 05, 2022, 11:59:22 AM »
I think Davis would have relieved Johnston if he lost Richmond, the two did not like each other.

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« Reply #918 on: August 07, 2022, 12:01:41 PM »
A descendant of chiefs and warriors, Casey Thompson is believed to be the first prominent Husker football player with Native roots. It’s easier to have perspective on thumb injuries and quarterback competitions after growing up hearing tales of men who fought life-and-death battles, including two great-great-great-great grandfathers who were once held hostage by a duplicitous U.S. military commander named George Custer in the late 1860s.

https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/casey-thompson-is-blending-two-worlds-his-native-history-and-love-of-football/article_191982ea-14b7-11ed-8ffd-43db88ef3b20.html

One was Lon Ahpeatone (pronounced ahp-ee-ton), the last chief of the Kiowa and a great-great-great grandfather to Casey. He was most known for dispelling to his people the “Messiah Craze” of the 1890s — the belief of an imminent apocalypse with life as they knew it ending after the Dawes Act of 1887 established breaking up reservations for individual Natives to farm.

Another great-great-great-grandfather and chief is named in a U.S. Supreme Court case — Lone Wolf v. Hitchcock — that ultimately decided in 1903 Congress could unilaterally alter a treaty with an American Indian tribe.

CASEY THOMPSON'S FAMILY
Perhaps the most famous is Satanta (pronounced say-TAN-day), a Kiowa war chief in the 1860s and 1870s and great-great-great-great-grandfather to the Nebraska quarterback. He signed multiple treaties. He once stole a bugle from a skirmish with U.S. soldiers and played it in future encounters to cause confusion.

Satanta was taken into custody multiple times including once by Custer, who went back on a truce and held him until the Kiowa people moved to a reservation in southwestern Oklahoma — the tribe had once lived as far north as Montana and the Rocky Mountains. Satanta later died in a prison in Huntsville, Texas, jumping out of a second-story window in 1878 when told he would never be released.
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« Reply #919 on: August 07, 2022, 12:54:05 PM »
Lone Wolf v. Hitchcock | Oyez

Facts of the case
Lone Wolf was a Kiowa Indian chief, living in the Indian Territory created by the Medicine Lodge Treaty of 1867. A provision in the treaty required that three-fourths of the adult males in each of the Kiowa, Apache, and Comanche tribes agree to subsequent changes to the terms of the treaty. In 1892, Congress attempted to alter the reservation lands granted to the tribes. In enacting the relevant legislation, Congress substantively changed the terms of the treaty and opened 2 million acres of reservation lands to settlement by non-Indians. Lone Wolf filed a complaint on behalf of the three tribes in the Supreme Court of the District of Columbia, alleging that Congress' change violated the 1867 treaty. That court dismissed the case. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit affirmed the decision. Lone Wolf and the tribes appealed to the Supreme Court.
Question
Can treaties between the United States and American Indian tribes be broken unilaterally by Congress under its plenary power? 
Conclusion
In a unanimous decision, the Court affirmed the Court of Appeals and upheld the Congressional action. The Court rejected the Indians' argument that Congress' action was a taking under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Justice Edward D. White reasoned that matters involving Indian lands were the sole jurisdiction of Congress. Congress therefore had the power to "abrogate the provisions of an Indian treaty," including the two-million acre change. Justice John M. Harlan concurred in the judgment.



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« Reply #920 on: August 07, 2022, 12:57:55 PM »
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« Reply #921 on: August 08, 2022, 08:20:36 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Quit India: Gandhi Calls on Public to "Do or Die" (1942)
In 1942, after Great Britain refused to grant immediate independence to India, Mohandas Gandhi launched the Quit India movement. Thousands of Indians responded to the call for civil disobedience, while the British attempted to suppress the rebellion by arresting over 100,000 people, levying mass fines, and subjecting demonstrators to public floggings. Though the movement ultimately failed, it showed Britain that India could not be governed for much longer.
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« Reply #922 on: August 08, 2022, 09:18:16 AM »
Fort Stevenson, ND. Between 1883-1890. Dakota Akicita facing a firing squad instead of giving up his Wapaha (Headdress of feathers) while boarding school children are forced to watch. If we’re going to get things right in this country, we must not be afraid and face the truth of real American history. We owe this to our children and the future of this great nation.

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« Reply #923 on: August 08, 2022, 11:58:06 AM »


1943 state of WA.

 

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