header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 8 9 [10] 11 12 ... 14   Go Down
Author

Topic: OT - Nassar

 (Read 20229 times)

ELA

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 20318
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #126 on: January 31, 2018, 01:02:19 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2018, 12:49:48 PM
Please save me from giving ESfuPN a click. Thanks.
He was hitting on her, wouldn't leave her alone, she took a swipe at him, more of a "back off" swipe, then he hit her.  He denies it.  She filed a police report stating as much.  Police said they reduced the charges after getting conflicting witness reports.

What actually happened isn't really the important part now for all of this.  The questions are why were the charges dropped, were the conflicting witness accounts legit, and was Izzo involved in that process of getting them reduced?  If Izzo's career ends because he helped cover up an assault of a former player, 8 years ago, after said players career was over, that would be one of thee great idiotic moves of all time on his part.

But see my post above, now buried on the last page, for my thoughts overall on what I want from this investigation.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2018, 01:05:16 PM by ELA »
Logged

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25208
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #127 on: January 31, 2018, 01:05:57 PM »
It may have been said here but I think University Police should be done away with.

These are not sovereign nations. Law enforcement in the city/county/state in which the school operates should be the end game.
Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

PSUinNC

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 242
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #128 on: January 31, 2018, 01:08:00 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
It may have been said here but I think University Police should be done away with.

These are not sovereign nations. Law enforcement in the city/county/state in which the school operates should be the end game.
Totally agreed
Logged

PSUinNC

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 242
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #129 on: January 31, 2018, 01:08:42 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2018, 11:53:09 AM
I don't know if it is that complicated.  Child molesters are pretty much the lowest of the low.  Sandusky and Nassar are child molesters.  However, there was a lot of smoke that something was going on that wasn't reported.  Sandusky wasn't just some random dude - he worked closely with Paterno for years.  

Nassar is a similar monster, but I don't know what that has to do with Izzo and Dantonio.  The OTL report seems like it was trying to piggy back domestic violence and sexual violence onto Nassar's crimes.  That makes no sense.  Most of the reports were investigated by law enforcement or MSU's administration separate from the coaches.  

To me the difference is that you can very clearly draw a straight line in the PSU case between inaction by the people in the football program and Sandusky, and there is no line between Nassar and people in the popular sports at MSU.
But there is a clear line between Nassar, the MSU gymnastics program and other powerful figures (Hollis, Simon) similarly (almost identically) as there was between Sandusky, football and Curley and Spanier.
The OTL report was trying to tie together a 'culture' that facilitated this, not direclty link Izzo/Dantonio to Nassar.  It tried to pull a link between what happened with Nassar as part of the athletics dept AND the 'similar' allegations of assault in the football/basketball programs.  Isn't that exactly what the Freeh report supposedly did at Penn State - linked things Sandusky did (even outside of Penn State's four walls) to Paterno and the PSU brass?
This all to me begs a big question - is it because MSU doesn't directly involve an icon and b/c it's a sport that publicly people care very little about?
Logged

ELA

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 20318
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #130 on: January 31, 2018, 01:11:48 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
It may have been said here but I think University Police should be done away with.

These are not sovereign nations. Law enforcement in the city/county/state in which the school operates should be the end game.
Absolutely.  In East Lansing, it's at least a little clearer because campus and city are totally separated, but I know in Ann Arbor, where the two are far more geographically intertwined, it always got murkier as to where lines of jurisdiction ended.  I know the police themselves disliked it, although AAPD enjoyed not having to deal with dorm disturbances.
Logged

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37520
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #131 on: January 31, 2018, 02:04:46 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
It may have been said here but I think University Police should be done away with.

These are not sovereign nations. Law enforcement in the city/county/state in which the school operates should be the end game.
yes, campus police have their roll.
stolen bikes, drunk & disorderly. food fights
nothing of a serious or violent nature
Logged
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12186
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #132 on: January 31, 2018, 02:08:56 PM »
Quote from: PSUinNC on January 31, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
I'm not posting this to downplay what happened at PSU, or in any way to say "Well, if Penn State got punished so should MSU."  I'm simply trying to understand what seems to be a much milder response to this universally - both here and in the media - than what happened at Penn State.  The situations seem extraordinarily similar, but frankly seems the Penn State situation is seen as much more devious, turning a blind eye, cover-up, etc.  
Am I missing something?
Well, I think that pretty much everyone has said that anyone involved in the Nassar portion of it should be tossed out on their asses by MSU and possibly into jail by authorities.
This is for a few reasons.
  • Nassar was in an official capacity within the athletic department. It's not like it was an athlete, this was an "employee" [potentially outside contractor or something similar since he was the Team USA doctor as well, but clearly there as part of the MSU staff in some capacity]. So he was in a position of authority. There's a higher burden on official members of the athletic department.
  • Some of the allegations against Nassar involved abuses of minors. While those probably didn't occur at MSU [I don't know the details / haven't read the articles deeply]. Any time minors are involved, people get out the torches and pitchforks, even if these allegations weren't directly MSU-related.
  • There's just a general creepiness related to what Nassar was doing. Whether you agree with it or not, people have a more visceral reaction to creepy sex abuses than they do to the more murky matters that often involve questionable consent and "he said-she said" stuff. 

Much of that matches the Sandusky stuff. It was someone who was in an official capacity, not an athlete. It involved minors. And of course it was creepy.

The difference is that Sandusky was part of the FOOTBALL program, whereas Nassar was not. Nassar was part of the Gymnastics program.

So nothing Izzo or Dantonio were involved in is DIRECTLY related to the Nassar stuff in the same way that Paterno et al. were related to the Sandusky stuff. The issue is whether they are emblematic of and complicit in a wider problem involving the entire athletic department. If they were actively involved in covering things up or in affecting police investigations, they should go. 
Logged

HailHailMSP

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 243
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #133 on: January 31, 2018, 03:21:52 PM »
It seems like the ESPN OTL roadmap appears to be that this is a combo platter of Penn State (Sandusky = Nassar) + Baylor (Football, Bball assaults) and they are trying to tie it all together into some superstory of previously unseen magnitude.

The severity and magnitude of Baylor's issues go far beyond the worst of what ESPN is tying together for football and basketball at Michigan State at the moment. Much of what ESPN has aired could be found to be overblown and false or we could find out it is more troublesome than the original indictment. But to get to Baylor level it would have to go FAR BEYOND anything that is currently being reported. The Baylor story was big, but I don't get how it wasn't bigger at the time. It really was unprecedented and horrific.
Logged

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25208
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #134 on: January 31, 2018, 04:14:04 PM »
If this was going on at Bama or Georgia or ... you get it.. You'd hear:

<<<crickets>>>

from ESfuPN.

Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

CatsbyAZ

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 2783
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #135 on: January 31, 2018, 05:34:00 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2018, 11:53:09 AM
Nassar is a similar monster, but I don't know what that has to do with Izzo and Dantonio.  The OTL report seems like it was trying to piggy back domestic violence and sexual violence onto Nassar's crimes.  That makes no sense.  Most of the reports were investigated by law enforcement or MSU's administration separate from the coaches.  

To me the difference is that you can very clearly draw a straight line in the PSU case between inaction by the people in the football program and Sandusky, and there is no line between Nassar and people in the popular sports at MSU.
There's no line to draw between Nassar and Dantonio, but ESPN is trying to because the OTL report is nothing more than a hit piece against the football program. Dantonio has, in fact, dismissed a number his players recently, and for exactly the type of assault crimes ESPN is trying to sensationalize the football program over. Dantonio shouldn't have to field question about whether he "can survive this." Besides, much of OTL's details against the football program were connected by ESPN reporting last September. Hey, I wonder why those details were repackaged into a bigger report and released last week?
Logged

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25208
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #136 on: January 31, 2018, 06:19:04 PM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on January 31, 2018, 05:34:00 PM
Hey, I wonder why those details were repackaged into a bigger report and released last week?
Because it's MSU and not msu/cowbell?
Logged
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

SuperMario

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 1266
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #137 on: January 31, 2018, 10:55:14 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2018, 11:53:09 AM
I don't know if it is that complicated.  Child molesters are pretty much the lowest of the low.  Sandusky and Nassar are child molesters.  However, there was a lot of smoke that something was going on that wasn't reported.  Sandusky wasn't just some random dude - he worked closely with Paterno for years.  

Nassar is a similar monster, but I don't know what that has to do with Izzo and Dantonio.  The OTL report seems like it was trying to piggy back domestic violence and sexual violence onto Nassar's crimes.  That makes no sense.  Most of the reports were investigated by law enforcement or MSU's administration separate from the coaches.  

To me the difference is that you can very clearly draw a straight line in the PSU case between inaction by the people in the football program and Sandusky, and there is no line between Nassar and people in the popular sports at MSU.
Great post!
I’ll happily admit that I was in the camp of burn PsU to the ground solely because I felt many supporting PSU were making football more important than the protection of innocent children. Priorities seemed backwards and it made me sick. I’m not saying our PSU posters on the board were at that level, but there were many PSU fans/alumni that felt protecting Paterno and his legacy was more important than the innocence of children. 
Based on the current state of PSU football, one could argue they got a slap on the wrist. Think that’s unfair, ask the victims if they got over their abuse as quickly as the program and school recovered.
Logged

GopherRock

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 2428
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #138 on: February 01, 2018, 07:32:29 AM »
Logged

ELA

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 20318
  • Liked:
Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #139 on: February 01, 2018, 12:48:51 PM »
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 8 9 [10] 11 12 ... 14   Go Up
« previous next »
 
Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.
Liberty Model RFID Safe Clock
Liberty RFID Safe Wall Clock

FAFO No Trespassing Sign