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CatsbyAZ

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #70 on: January 26, 2018, 10:23:43 PM »
I personally don't believe Dantonio is in any wrong, just mirroring the sadness of today's climate.
I also don't think the heat Dantonio is taking is entirely fair either. ESPN is just using the heat of the moment to pile on and get clicks.
They have this big expose lambasting Dantonio (and Izzo) for ignoring sexual assaults. The problem is two-fold:
1) Crimes of rape and sexual assault always play out in the gray area of he-said, she-said. Both coaches don't have the time to become their program's defense attorneys on such subjective cases.
2) ESPN's expose works hard to establish MSU as some sort of hotbed for these crimes, while outside of the Nassar stuff, do they take any time to look at whether these same type of cases come about as evenly in the money sports of any other program? There's probably plenty of Athletic departments where the football coach cracks down while the basketball coach doesn't, and vice versa.
But all in all, dump the gymnastics program.

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« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2018, 12:16:07 AM »
This editorial from Rachael Denhollander is a worthwhile read. My previous post implies she took a lawyer-like approach to coming forward. Voila, she is a lawyer.

I don't agree with all of what she says but she makes some good observations. I am not one to grant special statutes of limitations. The limitations periods serve a purpose.

I once heard someone claim she now remembered she was sexually abused as a 2-year old after seeing a counselor. There really is a purpose to statutes of limitations cutting off stale claims. We have extended statutes of sexual abuse already in many cases, and I don't think we should give one class of personal injury claimants one statute, and another statute for those injured by a physician who did something that you discover 10-years later caused a severe problem.

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2018, 07:35:43 AM »
It's all okay though.

All you have to do is say, "fake news", and it's fine.

Deny it fully, and forget it ever happened.

I personally don't believe Dantonio is in any wrong, just mirroring the sadness of today's climate.
Today’s climate being sad...at least you got that right.  
Seems like all you have to do today is claim “sources” and you can say anything or accuse someone of anything, and never be held accountable because all of the negative attention is on the accused, in today’s mob media mentality.   
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« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2018, 09:26:09 AM »
95 percent of the "news" today is fake.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2018, 09:45:50 AM »

They have this big expose lambasting Dantonio (and Izzo) for ignoring sexual assaults. The problem is two-fold:
1) Crimes of rape and sexual assault always play out in the gray area of he-said, she-said. Both coaches don't have the time to become their program's defense attorneys on such subjective cases.
time is only one reason coaches shouldn't be in charge of criminal activity
turn it over to the proper authorities immediately
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« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2018, 10:09:54 AM »
The feaux outrage at Dantonio and Izzo, is disgusting. 

Go to a UM fan board- they want blood.  Do you think it is for the reason they claim?  Hell no, those two coaches are simply high value targets in their personal war that is fandom/rivalry. 

Were any of those guys calling for the head coach for basketball or gymnastics at PSU when that was all going down?  Of course not, and I rest my case.  
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« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2018, 10:20:23 AM »
Although I, too, wonder about how the judge conducted herself, it is worth reading this and contemplating how it all fits together:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/us/rachael-denhollander-full-statement/index.html
This was a worthwhile read. Having a young daughter myself, it’s very sad to feel the pain in her words. What she experienced seems to have crept into and changed so many areas of her life, most notably trusting people.
I simply cannot comprehend the failure to protect children.

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« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2018, 11:45:56 AM »
Based on the OTL report, there appears to be a culture of cover-up and lack of transperency in MSU atheltics.  MSU needs to clean house to change the culture and that could mean both possibly Dantonio and Izzo must go

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« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2018, 12:41:57 PM »
Based on the OTL report, there appears to be a culture of cover-up and lack of transperency in MSU atheltics.  MSU needs to clean house to change the culture and that could mean both possibly Dantonio and Izzo must go
Key phrase bolded, and that's not nearly enough for me.

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« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2018, 12:58:27 PM »
95 percent of the "news" today is fake.
Fake stat.
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« Reply #80 on: January 27, 2018, 12:59:47 PM »
What comes to my mind during these horrible stories is the CERTAINTY that there are dozens (if not hundreds) of other Nassars out there.  Smaller profile, smaller school monsters doing this, getting away with it, and never coming to justice.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #81 on: January 27, 2018, 01:35:43 PM »
Key phrase bolded, and that's not nearly enough for me.
Fair enough.  We will wait to see what other information will come out.  But sometimes once the dominos start to fall, its hard to know where it all stops.

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #82 on: January 27, 2018, 02:05:18 PM »
One of the issues is the NCAA and colleges have yet to collectively decide the balance between an individuals rights of innocence until proven guilty and the perception of winning at all costs.      I'd guess there are wide variations in the quality of processes and policies to deal with sexual assaults accusations.   Hopefully, if the lesson hasn't been learned yet, schools exclude coaches from the review process.   And boards begin to take this issues more seriously as well.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 03:16:04 PM by Entropy »

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #83 on: January 27, 2018, 02:08:12 PM »
95 percent of the "news" today is fake.
That's only what dictators say. 

 

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