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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2018, 10:36:57 PM »
I'm not sure if it was hard luck or poetic Justice that he wound up with a spikey feminist as a judge. 

Both, perhaps?
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Hawkinole

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2018, 12:00:37 AM »
I felt like I was watching a movie - wondering if that judge was a paid actor or an actual judge. It was weird. Very weird.

"I just signed your death warrant."

Really?? That does not seem "judgely" to me.
He should probably get a new judge on a re-sentencing hearing. Can you imagine the double down the media would have on re-sentencing, even if the prosecution were allowed only to call the 7 victims for whom there were convictions rather than the gauntlet of 156, I think I read about today?
The likelihood "Larry" survives beyond his federal sentence to serve any part of his state sentence is low. But process matters. 
It would be interesting to see the past reviews this judge received from attorneys who practice in front of her. Do any of the Michigan residents here have a link? The Iowa State Bar Association has judicial pleblescites with attorneys surveyed ranking the judges in about 8 or so categories for their competence.
I don't want a system that makes it more important to splash headlines, or put the trial judges in a position where they are television producers. Just do your jobs and fairly and judiciously dispense justice.
If your goal is to go into television, apply there. Don't do it on a state court or federal court bench. That's not your job.

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2018, 12:11:20 AM »
^Both.

I get where the attorneys on here are coming from. I’ve seen defense counsel say some highly unsavory stuff when defending their client. And could the judge have taken a little bit off of her rant? Sure. But I’m also looking at the guy sitting in the dock that pled guilty to all of these crimes, and can’t dredge up so much as an ounce of sympathy.

Is it safe to say that all of this wouldn’t have seen the light of day had the judge done a straightforward sentencing sans victim statements? The terms of his plea deal called for these proceedings from any victims. MSU, USAG, the NCAA, the USOC, et al. seemed ready and willing to treat him like a spy who got caught and totally disavow him. But a week of very public testimony, including multiple Olympic medalists ripping the entire system, and things took on a life of their own. It’s not a stretch to think that nothing happens without the week of catharsis.

None of the resignations at MSU below President should have been accepted. They needed to be fired for cause.

No heads roll if the laundry isn’t very publicly aired.

Speaking of which, the USOC ordered the entire governing staff of USAG to quit by the end of February or they’ll be decertified. A little bit late but better than nothing.

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2018, 12:37:40 AM »
I have not seen the agreement between prosecution and defense for victim statements. The media reports it was to allow victim impact statements. But, at least in this state, that means from the victims of the crime for which the defendant is convicted.

That doesn't mean everyone from your kindergarten teacher to your crossing guard to everyone you treated in professional practice. And if that agreement was that broad, then the defense counsel were incompetent. But you saw where the defendant sat in the witness box while victims stood at a podium and television cameras were there to view the judge and defendant. That is staged. Court proceedings are not for voyeurs. They are for dispensing justice.

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM »
Sounds like AD Mark Hollis is tendering his resignation today.

That is a CRUSHING blow to athletics, he has been amazing.

But if he's culpable, he's gotta go.

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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2018, 11:21:56 AM »
Sounds like AD Mark Hollis is tendering his resignation today.

That is a CRUSHING blow to athletics, he has been amazing.

But if he's culpable, he's gotta go.
Is Izzo taking heat for his comments too? I can't believe he said what he did.

Losing Hollis is very bad. I'm sorry for you ELA. I can't imagine how I'd feel if this was my school.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2018, 11:59:38 AM »
Is Izzo taking heat for his comments too? I can't believe he said what he did.

Losing Hollis is very bad. I'm sorry for you ELA. I can't imagine how I'd feel if this was my school.
Some heat?  I think a little.  I think it was pretty obvious it came out wrong.  I think everyone knew WHO did it, he meant he hopes everyone involved gets caught, and clarified the same.  It seems clear at this point they are.

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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2018, 12:02:45 PM »
OK, that's good.

Of course there is no headline on the clarifications. Only the headline from the girl's mother's twitter.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2018, 12:09:50 PM »
We were discussing the medical defense he used earlier.  Seems like that's what stopped the 2014 investigation, and what his 2016 accuser came prepared for.  She can't get enough credit

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/01/26/larry-nassar-michigan-state-investigation/1064914001/

The troubling thing is, if this was some random doctor accused of doing this, and it went to trial, Nassar would probably be about as good an expert witness as you could get on the matter.  As mentioned earlier, who the hell was going to challenge him on best practices?

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« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2018, 12:15:40 PM »
Some snips from his retirement PC.  Seems like the first guy who actually gets it.  Which also means he also gets why he has to go, no matter what he knew

Hollis: "Michigan State is a great institution. And its greatest strength is the people who call themselves Spartans." Says "my heart breaks" hearing what Nassar victims said.

Mark Hollis: "Our campus and beyond has been attacked by evil."

Hollis: "We must listen and learn lessons. Only then can we truly begin the process of healing."

ollis: "I've always been a Spartan, and I always will be. It's been an absolute honor to guide the athletic dept for a decade."

Mark Hollis: "I'm not running away from anything, I'm running towards something."

Mark Hollis: "Let me be clear, that in retirement, I will cooperate with these and any investigations."

Hollis on Nassar: I did not know about this prior to the Sept. 2016 article. I was not informed of 2014 investigation.

Hollis: I was not asked or pressured to resign

Mark Hollis: "Many people told me that I should not (retire). I know this is the right time."

Hollis: "I know it's the right time to let people heal. I know this is the right time for me, for (wife) Nancy. I have three children, they're incredible kids. I don't like to see them in pain, either."

Hollis reiterates that he doesn't believe he ever met Larry Nassar. That's consistent with what he told police.

Hollis asked why he does not stay on as athletic director. "Because I care."

Hollis says he hopes his retirement helps healing process. Presser is over. He hugs his wife on the way out the door.


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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2018, 12:23:54 PM »
I'm still not sure what to think about this on MSU's end.  It sounds like police and whatnot were informed and investigated.  They chose not to file charges.  That is wholly different than not notifying anyone (re: PSU).  I'm not sure how hard I can hammer administration for basically following proper channels and getting the wrong result.  Maybe I'm missing something.

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« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2018, 12:26:53 PM »
Proof that Hollis was good: true leaders take responsibility for things that happen under them, even if they weren't involved.

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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2018, 12:30:59 PM »
Proof that Hollis was good: true leaders take responsibility for things that happen under them, even if they weren't involved.
Agreed.  The problem is he more and more seems like the only person aware enough (woke enough as the kids say) that I'd trust to guide MSU through the next steps, which means he was the only one aware enough to step down.  Now this whole ship is driven by the ego-maniacal BOT who are too far up their own asses to step down, and are only going to make matters worse.  I sort of wish he had announced his retirement effective 6 months or a year or something.  Maybe the optics there are still bad?  I don't know, but it seems like him stepping aside isn't going to help with the investigation.  Oh well.
I was going to go into a coaching thing, but that belongs in the offseason thread.  I don't want this to take a left turn into on the field stuff, which really isn't important here.

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« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2018, 02:10:30 PM »
The ESPN report today is not good.  The basketball one they dug up from 7 years ago is old news, and there's a reason ESPN had refused to run it until now.  So between that and some personal knowledge of the incident, that one doesn't get much credit.

But the football stuff that wasn't known about until now.  That's no good.  Dantonio was applauded last summer for immediate dismissal of four players.  But this outlines 5 previous violent incidents that were not known about.  ESPN does note that in all cases they went to EL or MSU PD, and that in none of the cases were charges ever filed.  They even note that there was no proof any of that news ever made it to the coach.  That what needs to be investigated, did he know?  That's where the investigation better turn.  Did he know?  If not, why?  Why were there no charges filed?  Was there nothing there, or was local PD pressuring women into not pressing charges?  This is nowhere near being over.

 

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