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Re: OT - Grumpy Old Man Thread
« Reply #2030 on: June 18, 2026, 03:58:38 PM »
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« Reply #2031 on: June 18, 2026, 06:29:42 PM »

Middle schoolers do this.  Because it's anything but learning/trying.  
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Re: OT - Grumpy Old Man Thread
« Reply #2032 on: Today at 11:00:44 AM »
I say blame the generation before, no matter which generation, as they reared the current generation of scallywags and degenerates who make up the current mass of wasted youth. Sure, we can blame the boomers as the Millennials' parents, but Gen X owns it for Gen Z.

Since Gen X (and Z) has been predictably brought into this discussion, I wanted to propose a potential throughline specific to them, tracing from their parent’s generation (Silent) to now their children’s generation (Z).

Millennials were raised by Boomers who were raised by the Greatest Generation (born roughly 1900 – 1929). Their value in home ownership and education, and specifically a college education, is a very pronounced throughline for all three generations.

Gen Z is mostly raised by Gen X who was mostly raised by the Silent Generation (born from roughly 1928 – 1945). For all three, tracing the (d)evolution of their Work Ethics/Ethos is more difficult to pin down, but all over social media Gen Z is vocal about refusing to believe in college or a career; they have given up on work, don’t want to work, and I find this to be their most unexpected trait. In defense of Gen Z, Covid lockdowns broke down their educational paths and now, with many settling into broke adulthoods, they face a stagnant economy, high inflation, and feel priced out of existence.

But how else did we get here? Looking back to the Silent Generation, they were raised during both the Great Depression and WWII. Retrospectives tend to characterize the Silent Generation as conformist and traditionalist, but I think this forgets their learning of self-reliance the hard way, through the lean years of the Great Depression when there weren’t government bailouts or loans to hold everyone over until better days. The Silent Generation’s value in hard work was driven by surviving on dependence on self over anyone else.

Now taking the views of their children, Generation X values a variant of self-reliance that is more accurately labeled as independence. Raised in much more profitable economic conditions that have lasted through their careers (Recessions notwithstanding), they’ve had and taken up their greater options to enlist their careers in Corporate America. But even so, I’ve found Gen X to favor “working for yourself” over working for the “system” or the “man,” especially as Gen X came of working age in the corporate America of the 1990s. Gen X brought the word “sellout” into vogue, as in don’t sellout to the system or the man. Nevertheless, without the survivability struggles of their parent’s generation, Gen X has been able to most visibly apply their sense of independence to tastes in music and film; Alternative rock, and Indie music and film are Gen X shrines.

Keep in mind, Gen X is also known as the Slacker Generation, a moniker arising from their cynicism toward corporatism and well-trod career paths. In other words, the Gen X work ethic wasn’t applied within the confines of the system, an independence which I believe reflects an evolution of their parent’s self-reliance. To repeat, it seems the Silent Generation’s resolve to survive the Great Depression (and WWII) through a work ethic strong enough to maintain self-reliance through poverty later evolved into Generation X valuing a working independence outside the system. So, what about the next Generation?

The next evolution seems to be a vocal chunk of Generation Z not only not valuing work but not wanting to work at all. Again, in defense of Gen Z, they’ve woken up much earlier than Millennials have to the diminishing ROI of a college education that loads students with six-figures of debt. And I can’t blame Gen Z for not looking forward to working a growing number of salary jobs that won't pay enough for a house or reap the financial freedoms enjoyed by earlier generations. As a result, Gen Z appears in an early sort of mid-life crisis, they are clearly airing their frustration en masse across their social feeds, and already sounding like grumpy old men:


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« Reply #2033 on: Today at 11:10:24 AM »
^^^^^^^^^

Really great discussion and insights.  There's a lot to unpack there but on the face I find myself in alignment with most of it.

And it's that ability to understand, articulate, and empathize with this view of GenZ's plight, that sets apart GenX from the Boomers-- at least to a certain degree.


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« Reply #2034 on: Today at 12:36:02 PM »
^^^^^^^^^

Really great discussion and insights.  There's a lot to unpack there but on the face I find myself in alignment with most of it.

And it's that ability to understand, articulate, and empathize with this view of GenZ's plight, that sets apart GenX from the Boomers-- at least to a certain degree.


I hope the bold part really helps because not valuing work and not wanting to work at all could be rough in the end
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« Reply #2035 on: Today at 12:39:24 PM »
I hope the bold part really helps because not valuing work and not wanting to work at all could be rough in the end
It could be the end of the Great Experiment too.

Will "we"* make it to 300 years?

* I know I won't.
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« Reply #2036 on: Today at 12:49:01 PM »
I'm hoping for 20 more years

thankful I valued work and wanted to work just enuff that I should be able to live the final 20 years comfortably 

::::I mean who really wants to work?:::::::
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« Reply #2037 on: Today at 01:02:10 PM »
I'm hoping for 20 more years

thankful I valued work and wanted to work just enuff that I should be able to live the final 20 years comfortably

::::I mean who really wants to work?:::::::
Well, certainly not those of us who have done it for 45+ years, that's for sure.
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« Reply #2038 on: Today at 01:08:28 PM »
Well, certainly not those of us who have done it for 45+ years, that's for sure.
I was about to say "and also not those of us who have done it for 25+ years"...

But then I realized I've been working since I was 13. This summer I'll have reached 35 years... It's only 25+ in my actual career. 

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« Reply #2039 on: Today at 01:13:41 PM »
I started at 14, working at a beef joint in Des Plaines. 

At 16 I got a job stocking in a liquor store.

Lots of "perks" in that job.
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« Reply #2040 on: Today at 01:30:11 PM »
My first two were being a caddy at a private club in Wheaton, and then being a starter at a little exec course in Lombard. IL had restrictions on jobs before age 14, but apparently being a caddy was allowed at 13. 

Definite perks, including being part of a fairly low number people who can say they've ever played that club in Wheaton. 

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« Reply #2041 on: Today at 01:40:35 PM »
Which club? I've worked on several around there (water features and drainage), including Chicago (not much water on that one).
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Re: OT - Grumpy Old Man Thread
« Reply #2042 on: Today at 02:16:17 PM »
Have some thoughts on the generational stuff above, but I need a little time to write out all that stuff. So instead, I will talk about the beginning of my working life.

I got my first job later than most, at age 18 after my first year of college. I was a janitor in a type of place that you just don’t really wanna be a janitor. The shifts were not at ideal times. the commute was not pleasant. The money was … quite good, all things considered. 

but between my coworkers and the clientele, I got to see a much larger slice of experience in the world. Old folks, young people from smaller places with more modest aspirations than kids I grew up with. Everett parents working shitty jobs so their kids wouldn’t have to. It was worth it for the $17.50 an hour alone, but the payoff, give or take the sleep deprivation was a lot more.

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« Reply #2043 on: Today at 02:22:46 PM »
Which club? I've worked on several around there (water features and drainage), including Chicago (not much water on that one).
Yeah, Chicago Golf Club. 

 

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