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Kris60

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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2018, 10:15:37 AM »
I'd still go OU.  As many wins over teams with winning records.  More wins over bowl eligible teams. As many wins over ranked teams (maybe more if NW drops out).  OU beat a common opponent by 25 and Ohio St beat them by 12.

The losses is the big one though.  OU's was a 3 point game to a ranked team and they avenged it.  Ohio St's was a 29 point loss to a 6-6 team.

As an aside, someone is going to have to explain ESPN's Strength of Record to me like I'm a 6 year old I guess.  I keep seeing shown on graphics all morning how Ohio St has a better SOR than OU (4 to 6).  What they aren't showing is ESPN's SOS rankings.  Those have OU's SOS ranked #27 and Ohio St's ranked #46.  If Ohio St and OU have the exact same record and OU's SOS is deemed superior then how is Ohio St's SOR higher?  SOR is supposed to determine the strength of the record based against the strength of the schedule.  How is Ohio St's SOR higher?

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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2018, 10:32:16 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
Best win is a close one in home night game against Michigan.
that's a good win, better than Georgia's best win, better than the Sooner's best win, much better than Clemson's best win
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2018, 10:43:53 AM »
Rumblings I'm hearing is the committee is going to buffer their OU choice.

OU is 3, ND will be 4 and Georgia 5. With OSU still at 6 there "should be no debate" about their non-inclusion.
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2018, 10:48:46 AM »
Vegas is saying Georgia would be favored over OU, OSU and ND.
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2018, 10:48:56 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 02, 2018, 10:15:37 AM
I'd still go OU.  As many wins over teams with winning records.  More wins over bowl eligible teams. As many wins over ranked teams (maybe more if NW drops out).  OU beat a common opponent by 25 and Ohio St beat them by 12.

The losses is the big one though.  OU's was a 3 point game to a ranked team and they avenged it.  Ohio St's was a 29 point loss to a 6-6 team.

As an aside, someone is going to have to explain ESPN's Strength of Record to me like I'm a 6 year old I guess.  I keep seeing shown on graphics all morning how Ohio St has a better SOR than OU (4 to 6).  What they aren't showing is ESPN's SOS rankings.  Those have OU's SOS ranked #27 and Ohio St's ranked #46.  If Ohio St and OU have the exact same record and OU's SOS is deemed superior then how is Ohio St's SOR higher?  SOR is supposed to determine the strength of the record based against the strength of the schedule.  How is Ohio St's SOR higher?


I'm not certain but my guess is because OU has a higher average per opponent, but OSU has a better opponent (Michigan) than any team OU faced.  The calculation is more about the chances of having a particular record against the particular schedule, and so having a very strong team on the schedule throws it towards that schedule.  In other words, beating several decent teams and one great team is "stronger" than beating several decent to good teams.
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2018, 10:53:45 AM »
Heh. Cowherd had a slight against ND (and cold football teams in general.) He claimed there are 2 types of football, North and South. ND is the best northern team, with the caveat that OSU plays Southern Football. And all 4 southern teams (Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Ohio State) would crush ND by multiple scores.
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2018, 11:00:44 AM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on December 02, 2018, 10:48:46 AM
Vegas is saying Georgia would be favored over OU, OSU and ND.
And I'm the a--hole suggesting the absurd...
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2018, 11:01:55 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 02, 2018, 10:15:37 AM
I'd still go OU.  As many wins over teams with winning records.  More wins over bowl eligible teams. As many wins over ranked teams (maybe more if NW drops out).  OU beat a common opponent by 25 and Ohio St beat them by 12.

The losses is the big one though.  OU's was a 3 point game to a ranked team and they avenged it.  Ohio St's was a 29 point loss to a 6-6 team.

As an aside, someone is going to have to explain ESPN's Strength of Record to me like I'm a 6 year old I guess.  I keep seeing shown on graphics all morning how Ohio St has a better SOR than OU (4 to 6).  What they aren't showing is ESPN's SOS rankings.  Those have OU's SOS ranked #27 and Ohio St's ranked #46.  If Ohio St and OU have the exact same record and OU's SOS is deemed superior then how is Ohio St's SOR higher?  SOR is supposed to determine the strength of the record based against the strength of the schedule.  How is Ohio St's SOR higher?


Seems like it incorporates much of what I did above.....ranking types of outcomes and plugging in the actual outcomes.  Taking into account margin of victory or loss matters.  OSU's worse loss is offset by some very low-rated wins by OU.
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2018, 11:04:04 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 02, 2018, 11:00:44 AM
And I'm the a--hole suggesting the absurd...
Welp, you are an a--hole for sure. :)

Does the committee use Vegas odds as criteria?
« Last Edit: December 02, 2018, 11:07:43 AM by TyphonInc »
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2018, 11:10:00 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 02, 2018, 11:00:44 AM
And I'm the a--hole suggesting the absurd...
I got knocked out of two suicide pools because Vegas posted two NFL teams as 12-14 pt favs that lost outright.Happens every week - they just have to be right 53-55% of the time to turn a profit.
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2018, 11:12:20 AM »
I'm pretty sure Vegas makes a profit on nearly every game no matter the outcome.
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2018, 11:17:40 AM »
Every game no,but they handicap the Handicappers and middle on the betting curves.Just keep action pretty even on both sides and collect the Vig
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2018, 11:19:18 AM »
Nearly every game, is what I said.
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Re: Oklahoma vs Ohio State
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2018, 11:22:28 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 02, 2018, 11:12:20 AM
I'm pretty sure Vegas makes a profit on nearly every game no matter the outcome.
if they balance the wagers by adjusting the line
line is set to encourage balanced wagers, not to determine the outcome of the game
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