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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2020, 01:27:58 AM »
I think the timing of the baseball season will provide the actual answer here.  If it mostly works out okay, college football can mimic what they do.  If it's what I predict, and it all goes to hell a few weeks in, they might as well cancel the football season.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2020, 12:22:29 PM »

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2020, 03:19:43 PM »
Baseball MIGHT work out "OK" because they are pros and can be isolated from other people.  Students, not so much.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2020, 05:58:33 PM »
Penn Sate AD Sandy Barbour: "Without a season ticket, no matter what (Beaver Stadium) capacity is, you're probably not coming to a Penn State football game." Tweet
 
Says full house isn’t in the cards this year and they’re trying to accommodate as many season ticket holders as possible. Tweet
 
Barbour once again commends athletes for taking protocols seriously, particularly praising PJ Mustipher who spoke at the all-staff meeting in detail regarding policies Tweet
 
Barbour says athletes are highly discouraged to leave after arriving to campus so some have opted to not return at the current time. Tweet
 
Barbour says that should an athlete test positive the university has procedures in place for athletes or self-isolate and then contact trace. They are not asking students to sign any sort of waiver. But there is a “pledge” regarding protocols and educational material. Tweet
 
Barbour says that should a player choose not to come back this Fall that their scholarship would not be in jeopardy should they choose not to return for the season. Tweet
 
Sandy says any idea of infecting athletes prior to the season is unethical and not something they would even remotely consider. Tweet
 
Barbour says she will “100 percent” (back, I'm assuming was missed here) forms of protest if atheltes have done research & do so respectfully and the coach is informed. Says they don’t have to ask coach for permission, but encourages athletes to inform coach. Says this is in regards to any/all protests in generally. Tweet



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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2020, 01:33:50 AM »
Feeling more pessimistic.

One thing I’ll be interested in, if there’s no football, does a lot of the G5 just not reassemble when things fire back up? Big time teams have the resources, FCS is small-time scrape out existence in some spots. But G5 feels caught in the middle.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2020, 01:43:49 AM »
OT but relevant,  there's some serious creativity going on with volleyball with the schedule.  It's going to be a strange season.  The theme there is to minimize travel, condense conf play and reduce ooc matches.  Nebraska may play Creighton five times.   The tournament might be held at a few sites.

I cant see a football season with that many fans.

Another interesting experiment will be how many show up to Indy 500.  50% capacity will be allowed.  

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2020, 03:00:31 AM »
Baseball MIGHT work out "OK" because they are pros and can be isolated from other people.  Students, not so much.
We have the summer sports of HS baseball and softball, in Iowa. It looks okay to play, but they gather together in the dugout. The visiting team travels by school bus. These last two things do not look good. I am old, but if I had a child I would insist on arranging my own transportation and socially distancing him or her from the group in the dug out. 

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2020, 11:37:46 AM »

Frost thinks a couple of adjustments in people’s mindsets about the coronavirus pandemic may be needed in order for the season to take place. Make no mistake, he understands the topic at a high level. And he made a key point Monday that you simply don't hear from media or really anyone else: Even if players don't get to play in games this fall, there's still a sizable risk of many of them getting the virus.


It seems media tend to fixate on practices and games as the main ways for players to be infected. It's flawed thinking. Think of it this way: By removing football from players' lives, it largely eliminates the structure and safeguards that Nebraska (and presumably other universities) provides at a high level. Players will still be attending classes, going to packed parties, going to public places to eat and hang out, and traveling out of town. Do people really think removing football from the equation will make players significantly more safe?


Frost makes another key point that you don't hear much elsewhere: Although much of the focus in college football is on regular testing as the principal mechanism for managing COVID-19, it shouldn't be regarded as the be-all and end-all in the discussion, he said, especially as it applies to game weeks.

"I don't want to say there should be no emphasis on testing," he said. "But to think that we're going to keep every kid from acquiring COVID by testing for football games -- it's not just unrealistic, it's dishonest."


Based on expertise gleaned from the University of Nebraska Medical Center, the coach said, the incubation period for the virus is 72 hours before a person would test positive, then it generally takes 24 hours to get back test results. So if Nebraska tested its players on Wednesday of a game week, the school might know who picked up the virus during the previous week's game. But it's obviously not foolproof.

“If a player got the virus on Monday or Tuesday, (the test) isn't going to come up positive (on Wednesday),” Frost said. “You might get it back Thursday. But they’re still going to class Thursday, they’re going to class Friday morning, and if you have an away game, they’re going to be around bus drivers, flight attendants, hotel people preparing food. To think that testing is going to keep our kids safe is probably a very flawed way of looking at it."


Frost listens closely to UNMC experts, and they say to focus on players who are symptomatic.

"Anybody who has a sore throat, has a fever spike, and be really cautious with anybody who has shortness of breath because those could be symptoms that mean they might not be handling it as well," the coach said. "We need to turn our focus to kids who are really getting sick from it."

What Frost essentially suggests is a change of people's mindset. It's partly a matter of folks not gasping in shock every time they see a headline that shows positive tests on a sports team. If you shut down sports, a certain number of athletes are still going to get the virus. It's inevitable. Science tells us that.

"If we don't get to a point where we're able to just play football and take care of kids who are symptomatic — pull them and isolate them and isolate people in direct contact with them, and let everyone else go — I think football's unlikely unless we get there."
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2020, 11:46:23 AM »
I think it's not so much about how many football players get it in a playing versus nonplaying scenario.  The two rates could well be the same.

It's about the impact on the team when one team has a flare up and loses half their starters.  Then there is the obvious PR nightmare if some major team has a flare up.  This may be more of a PR issue than a medical issue.


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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2020, 04:40:40 PM »
IF FACTS OVERRIDE FEAR, COLLEGE STADIUMS SHOULD FILL

Here’s some more good news about college football. We know that airborne transmission is much more likely than is surface contamination to spread the virus from one person to another. The games are played outdoors, and Nebraska has some of the nation’s most reliable windy conditions. Look for Power 5 schools to establish massive ventilation systems in their stadium concourses and restrooms. Also look for Power 5 schools to mandate that anyone entering the stadium must wear a mask.

There’s really no good reason to limit attendance at football games, that is, if you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations — many of whose shoulder-to-shoulder participants were breathing deeply and shouting loudly.

I have noticed only three types of reactions from media or scientists:

• Indifference/silence
• “It was OK because a lot of them were wearing masks”
• “The protests were justified and racism is a cause for coronavirus, so this is a good long-term health move”

Well, I don’t trust many national journalists these days, but since I have no compelling reason to doubt the opinions of epidemiologists, I’ll go along with them.


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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2020, 04:49:54 PM »
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2020, 04:51:56 PM »
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/cdc-warns-protests-and-covid-19-spread

Robert Redfield, MD, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told members of Congress yesterday that protesters need to get tested for COVID-19.
Redfield noted that D.C. and Minneapolis—two cities with the largest mass gatherings—still have significant community spread.
"I do think there is a potential, unfortunately, for this to be a seeding event," Redfield said, according to the Washington Post. "And the way to minimize it is to have each individual to recognize it's to the advantage of them to protect their loved ones, to [say]: 'Hey, I was out. I need to go get tested.' You know, in three, five, seven days, go get tested. Make sure you're not infected."



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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2020, 09:55:08 PM »
IF FACTS OVERRIDE FEAR, COLLEGE STADIUMS SHOULD FILL

Here’s some more good news about college football. We know that airborne transmission is much more likely than is surface contamination to spread the virus from one person to another. The games are played outdoors, and Nebraska has some of the nation’s most reliable windy conditions. Look for Power 5 schools to establish massive ventilation systems in their stadium concourses and restrooms. Also look for Power 5 schools to mandate that anyone entering the stadium must wear a mask.

There’s really no good reason to limit attendance at football games, that is, if you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations — many of whose shoulder-to-shoulder participants were breathing deeply and shouting loudly.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2020, 10:33:02 PM »
IF FACTS OVERRIDE FEAR, COLLEGE STADIUMS SHOULD FILL

Here’s some more good news about college football. We know that airborne transmission is much more likely than is surface contamination to spread the virus from one person to another. The games are played outdoors, and Nebraska has some of the nation’s most reliable windy conditions. Look for Power 5 schools to establish massive ventilation systems in their stadium concourses and restrooms. Also look for Power 5 schools to mandate that anyone entering the stadium must wear a mask.

There’s really no good reason to limit attendance at football games, that is, if you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations — many of whose shoulder-to-shoulder participants were breathing deeply and shouting loudly.

I have noticed only three types of reactions from media or scientists:

• Indifference/silence
• “It was OK because a lot of them were wearing masks”
• “The protests were justified and racism is a cause for coronavirus, so this is a good long-term health move”

Well, I don’t trust many national journalists these days, but since I have no compelling reason to doubt the opinions of epidemiologists, I’ll go along with them.


https://www.huskermax.com/stryker-if-facts-override-fear-college-stadiums-should-fill/
Actually, GREAT Post.  The key line of course being  “If you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations”.

Clearly, many young people did.  The media had been telling them, wear a mask, social distance! But when the protests started, that same media not only went silent on the Covid aspect of it, they glorified the protesting. 

here is the problem....I don’t think those same media voices even believed what they were selling by staying silent.  Selective memory I guess. So not only will the media erupt if there are fans in the stands, they will actually be right this time, and we won’t see it.  It’s too dangerous, just like the protesting was in most cases, and will lead to rapid, unnecessary spread, just like the protests did. 
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