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Topic: October11,Stream of Consciousness,Hoosier Road Roasted Duck anyone?

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SuperMario

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Re: October11,Stream of Consciousness,Hoosier Road Roasted Duck anyone?
« Reply #350 on: October 14, 2025, 08:13:23 PM »
It’s not why Michigan lost by any means, but no one has a problem with coaches purposely misleading that players are hurt and not playing when it’s not the truth? Where did the moral high ground suddenly disappear to hear? Doesn’t fit your current narrative?

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Re: October11,Stream of Consciousness,Hoosier Road Roasted Duck anyone?
« Reply #351 on: October 14, 2025, 09:38:20 PM »
It’s not why Michigan lost by any means, but no one has a problem with coaches purposely misleading that players are hurt and not playing when it’s not the truth? Where did the moral high ground suddenly disappear to hear? Doesn’t fit your current narrative?
Have to agree with you. That’s flat out against the rules.  Should be more than just a meaningless fine. Otherwise- why bother having the rule. 
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Re: October11,Stream of Consciousness,Hoosier Road Roasted Duck anyone?
« Reply #352 on: October 14, 2025, 10:12:27 PM »
Have to agree with you. That’s flat out against the rules.  Should be more than just a meaningless fine. Otherwise- why bother having the rule. 
Is it a rule? MDot indicated earlier, that it is not.

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Re: October11,Stream of Consciousness,Hoosier Road Roasted Duck anyone?
« Reply #353 on: October 14, 2025, 10:24:01 PM »
Is it a rule? MDot indicated earlier, that it is not.
Your right. Went back and read more closely. 

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Re: October11,Stream of Consciousness,Hoosier Road Roasted Duck anyone?
« Reply #354 on: October 14, 2025, 10:32:12 PM »
Your right. Went back and read more closely.


But then if it's not a rule, why would there be a fine?  Something isn't adding up.

Anyway, is the case here, that they ran out of players at that position due to injury, and then had to reactivate someone who was also injured?  And if so, how is that really a disadvantage?  Maybe I'm missing something?

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much ado about nothing
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But then if it's not a rule, why would there be a fine?  Something isn't adding up.

Anyway, is the case here, that they ran out of players at that position due to injury, and then had to reactivate someone who was also injured?  And if so, how is that really a disadvantage?  Maybe I'm missing something?
This is where I'm at.

If it isn't a rule then why are we talking about it. However, why would there be a fine if it isn't against a rule?

Your second paragraph is also relevant. My understanding is that the kid played only because of an injury to someone in front of him. That doesn't smell like premeditated, Michigan-style cheating. That just looks like a situation where you ended up going back to an injured player because the situation demanded it.

Who was the fine from? It can't be the NCAA because given their pace if this violated an NCAA rule we wouldn't get a result until sometime in 2030. Maybe it was a conference fine based on broadcasting not competition. 

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This is where I'm at.

If it isn't a rule then why are we talking about it. However, why would there be a fine if it isn't against a rule?

Your second paragraph is also relevant. My understanding is that the kid played only because of an injury to someone in front of him. That doesn't smell like premeditated, Michigan-style cheating. That just looks like a situation where you ended up going back to an injured player because the situation demanded it.

Who was the fine from? It can't be the NCAA because given their pace if this violated an NCAA rule we wouldn't get a result until sometime in 2030. Maybe it was a conference fine based on broadcasting not competition.
Yeah maybe something like that.

Strange situation but it hardly seems like it was a nefarious plan to gain an advantage.  Sounds more like desperation.

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Strange situation but it hardly seems like it was a nefarious plan to gain an advantage.  Sounds more like desperation.


That doesn't smell like premeditated, Michigan-style cheating.


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seems it was a conference fine
I'd just make it $50K and call it good
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Not sure if we covered this, but UAB fired Trent Dilfer. That bad idea went about as badly as you would imagine.

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most glaring difference to me is the QB rush yards. Moore is clearly anti-Bryce Underwood running the football. With Mikey Keene's shoulder being dead on arrival and Jadyn Davis being forced to be the back-up....after seeing Jadyn Davis part of me is like ok I get it Bryce can't get hurt cause there isn't a real backup option at QB...but c'mon man you have to unleash the kids legs if you want this offense to go. it opens up the run game for the backs even more if the defenses are forced to account for Underwood's legs and it also opens up the pass more as well. coaching malpractice not baking the kids running ability into the offensive game plan every week.


https://twitter.com/JamesYoder/status/1978292217321046514

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most glaring difference to me is the QB rush yards. Moore is clearly anti-Bryce Underwood running the football. With Mikey Keene's shoulder being dead on arrival and Jadyn Davis being forced to be the back-up....after seeing Jadyn Davis part of me is like ok I get it Bryce can't get hurt cause there isn't a real backup option at QB...but c'mon man you have to unleash the kids legs if you want this offense to go. it opens up the run game for the backs even more if the defenses are forced to account for Underwood's legs and it also opens up the pass more as well. coaching malpractice not baking the kids running ability into the offensive game plan every week.


https://twitter.com/JamesYoder/status/1978292217321046514

So, how many times per game should Underwood run the ball?   Just want to know what the right amount is so I know when to start bitching about the lack thereof. 
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https://bigten.org/fb/article/blt2856785fb75ee868/


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ROSEMONT, Ill. – The Big Ten Conference announced today it will debut a gameday student-athlete availability report for all football competition during the 2023 season. In addition to the conference-wide reporting, the Big Ten has partnered with U.S. Integrity (USI) to enhance monitoring efforts and provide additional educational resources to help prevent student-athletes, coaches, and staff from engaging in prohibited sports wagering.

“The well-being of our students, coaches, and staff, as well as the integrity of our competitions are of paramount importance,” said Big Ten Commissioner Tony Petitti. “Enhanced transparency through availability reporting and partnering with U.S. Integrity strengthens our efforts to protect those who participate in our games as well as the integrity of the games themselves. I’m grateful for the collaboration of our schools, coaches, and administrators.”

Big Ten institutions are responsible for submitting gameday availability reports prior to every contest this season. Information will be submitted by schools no later than two hours before scheduled kickoff times to the conference office and distributed on BigTen.org/FBReports and @B1GFootball on X (née Twitter). Breach of the gameday reporting policy will be subject to disciplinary action under the Big Ten Sportsmanship Policy.

The Big Ten, in collaboration with all 14 institutions, will work to evaluate the process and accuracy of information throughout the season, refining the protocol as needed.

USI will provide integrity monitoring, educational, and social media monitoring services to the Big Ten Conference via its proprietary dashboard. USI conducts analysis across dozens of data sets to proactively identify irregular contest-level, officiating and wagering patterns.



So it appears to be a conference rule that teams are required to submit [accurate] availability reports, and USC violated this by playing a player deemed "Out". 

I think the fact that the fine was so minimal is an acknowledgment that the nature of the violation was minor, and that it was based on extenuating circumstances where USC did not expect all the RBs in front of this player to get injured, and not a deliberate attempt to gain advantage. 

But it was a violation of the policy, and the conference IMHO is right to assess a [minimal] punishment to make sure that the conference members know that the policy will be enforced. 

 

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