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Topic: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #84 on: May 09, 2026, 01:55:53 PM »
Crazy stat of the day:
1990
#9 Florida @ #5 Tennessee
45-3 LOSS
2 weeks later
#4 Auburn @ #15 Florida
48-7 WIN

Talk about a roller-coaster.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #85 on: May 09, 2026, 02:49:54 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 09, 2026, 01:52:46 PM
The 3-point loss on the road + the 32-point win at a neutral site should mostly take care of that, no? 

Fun fact:  that amazing play-call that helped Texas upset Nebraska to benefit Florida in the 1996 XIICG was by one-time Bo Schembechler assistant coach John Mackovic.

I don't totally think it ever did. 

Just the tight timeframe, the late loss, needing the 1-2 teams taken out ahead of them, and the fact you're one of only two 1-loss title teams in the decade-plus. 

Not that it wasn't a great team, but like, I just think if Spurrier has a team that's 13-0, defense a little tighter, it stands out more as an all-timer and that burnishes his resume more. 
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #86 on: May 09, 2026, 03:26:25 PM »
Do you feel the same way about other teams that did that?  
89 Miami
85 OU
83 Miami
79 Bama
75 OU is probably the closest comp

No one thinks about that with these NCs.  I think time smudges the edges and specifics.  1996 was a long time ago, lol.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #87 on: May 09, 2026, 03:44:14 PM »
2011 Bama backed in and needed a rematch.

Nobody ever asterisks it or caveats it when adding up Saban's NCs.  
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #88 on: May 09, 2026, 03:56:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 09, 2026, 01:55:53 PM
Crazy stat of the day:
1990
#9 Florida @ #5 Tennessee
45-3 LOSS
2 weeks later
#4 Auburn @ #15 Florida
48-7 WIN

Talk about a roller-coaster.
I am guessing the first one was a Florida loss and the 2nd one was a Florida win?
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #89 on: May 09, 2026, 04:01:27 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 09, 2026, 03:26:25 PM
Do you feel the same way about other teams that did that? 
89 Miami
85 OU
83 Miami
79 Bama
75 OU is probably the closest comp

No one thinks about that with these NCs.  I think time smudges the edges and specifics.  1996 was a long time ago, lol.
I'm not sure exactly the metrics you were using for that, but outside 79 Bama, which didn't lose, basically yes. 

If you told me a coach was very good, and his best team was one of those (outside the undefeated Bama team), I'd tell you that would probably create a bit of ceiling with the perception of that coach. (Shoot, one was the second-best title for a coach with two and we don't keep him in high regard at all).

None of them lifted the winning coach to a hallowed space. And most are known for something else beyond being a team that kicked a ton of ass. 
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #90 on: May 09, 2026, 04:04:07 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on May 09, 2026, 03:44:14 PM
2011 Bama backed in and needed a rematch.

Nobody ever asterisks it or caveats it when adding up Saban's NCs. 
That's true, but alas, the folks who would asterisk and caveat were the ones who set up the rematch (plus people give the NFL angle of that team maybe too much credit). 

And if he only had that title, people probably would look at him a bit differently. 
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #91 on: May 09, 2026, 08:48:17 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 09, 2026, 01:52:46 PM
The 3-point loss on the road + the 32-point win at a neutral site should mostly take care of that, no? 

Fun fact:  that amazing play-call that helped Texas upset Nebraska to benefit Florida in the 1996 XIICG was by one-time Bo Schembechler assistant coach John Mackovic.

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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #92 on: May 09, 2026, 10:46:59 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on May 09, 2026, 03:44:14 PM
2011 Bama backed in and needed a rematch.

Nobody ever asterisks it or caveats it when adding up Saban's NCs. 
Ehhh, that OK State team lost to Iowa State a month before the final regular season poll.  I don't view that as nearly the same thing.  
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #93 on: May 09, 2026, 10:50:59 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 09, 2026, 04:01:27 PM
I'm not sure exactly the metrics you were using for that, but outside 79 Bama, which didn't lose, basically yes.

If you told me a coach was very good, and his best team was one of those (outside the undefeated Bama team), I'd tell you that would probably create a bit of ceiling with the perception of that coach. (Shoot, one was the second-best title for a coach with two and we don't keep him in high regard at all).

None of them lifted the winning coach to a hallowed space. And most are known for something else beyond being a team that kicked a ton of ass.
Ehhh #2........I think '96 Florida's 30 ppg margin of victory comes into play here.  You couldn't name 3 other teams in modern college football history who did that.
And I think we're short-changing that 96 Florida and 11 Bama just simply got the chance.  Florida still had to beat a team that had beaten it.  #1 defense in the country.  And hung 52 on them.  
2011 LSU was one of the all-time greatest teams, and Bama still had to go out and beat them.  They didn't let them cross the 50 until the 2nd half and shut them out.  
They had to make the most of a very difficult opportunity.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #94 on: May 10, 2026, 08:37:07 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 09, 2026, 10:50:59 PM
Ehhh #2........I think '96 Florida's 30 ppg margin of victory comes into play here.  You couldn't name 3 other teams in modern college football history who did that.
And I think we're short-changing that 96 Florida and 11 Bama just simply got the chance.  Florida still had to beat a team that had beaten it.  #1 defense in the country.  And hung 52 on them. 
2011 LSU was one of the all-time greatest teams, and Bama still had to go out and beat them.  They didn't let them cross the 50 until the 2nd half and shut them out. 
They had to make the most of a very difficult opportunity.
I mean, I couldn’t name that Florida did it either, but obviously with 3 minutes, I could name three other team who did. (I think I got 4-5).

And I think that UF team was awesome, but they got dinged a bit historically because of that loss and the era, and it does feel like if Steve had a 13-0 team, he’d be thought of a bit differently.

The Bama-LSU thing … the best thing everyone says about that Bama team is that they smothered a good-not-great offense with mid QB play in that rematch with an insane number of NFL guys. Bama was a team we knew was very good but not very accomplished before getting the rematch that beat a team that was probably more accomplished than it was good.

And if that was the top of the Saban era, he’d be looked at in a certain way (although there had not been a previous title, they might not have gotten a rematch)
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #95 on: May 10, 2026, 09:40:31 AM »
I appreciate the point of view of someone who wasn't 'in it' (Living in Gainesville at the time). 

2011 is a perfect example of one game negating season-long dominance.  Whether because it's their last game or on the biggest stage or whatever, that egg-laying in the NCG left everyone thinking they were trash.
No.
Through the first 13 games, that was an all-time great(est) team.  And their QBs weren't that bad at all.  Statistically, they were perfectly good, with ~150 rating.  Low INTs.  Now watching them, sure, functionally they were limited, but they didn't have a shitty passing game.  They simply didn't need to pass.  They had like 4 legit RBs and a great defense.  They played Saban ball (pre-Tua Saban ball, anyway).  Low-risk, grind them down and out-talent opponents-type of football.

They had 2 bookend DEs with a lot of sacks.  2 First-Team AAs in the secondary.  Caused all the turnovers.  Great special teams.  Why pass a bunch?  It took overtime and they couldn't get a TD, but they did win on the road vs Bama.  They played 8 ranked teams before the NCG and went 8-0.  

They get outcoached in the NCG and suddenly they're garbage?  No.
I'm not saying you're saying that, but I think it's what most people think now.
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #96 on: May 10, 2026, 01:04:13 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 10, 2026, 09:40:31 AM
I appreciate the point of view of someone who wasn't 'in it' (Living in Gainesville at the time).

2011 is a perfect example of one game negating season-long dominance.  Whether because it's their last game or on the biggest stage or whatever, that egg-laying in the NCG left everyone thinking they were trash.
No.
Through the first 13 games, that was an all-time great(est) team.  And their QBs weren't that bad at all.  Statistically, they were perfectly good, with ~150 rating.  Low INTs.  Now watching them, sure, functionally they were limited, but they didn't have a shitty passing game.  They simply didn't need to pass.  They had like 4 legit RBs and a great defense.  They played Saban ball (pre-Tua Saban ball, anyway).  Low-risk, grind them down and out-talent opponents-type of football.

They had 2 bookend DEs with a lot of sacks.  2 First-Team AAs in the secondary.  Caused all the turnovers.  Great special teams.  Why pass a bunch?  It took overtime and they couldn't get a TD, but they did win on the road vs Bama.  They played 8 ranked teams before the NCG and went 8-0. 

They get outcoached in the NCG and suddenly they're garbage?  No.
I'm not saying you're saying that, but I think it's what most people think now.
That LSU team is such an interesting case study.

They were super accomplished, beating a ton of very good teams (even if the 8 ranked teams thing is a bit hollow). Their defense was murder. Their offense was … quite good, not unreal. Held under 4 yards per carry almost half the time, under 5.7 yards per play more than half the time.

And that would’ve been fine, if not for facing maybe the most talented defense of all time. I rather hoped LSU could’ve locked down that amazing accomplishment of a season. But they didn’t.

It’s too bad, but the sport doesn’t always deliver the best story (and of course that game and mulligan choice was the first playoff breaking point)
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Re: Mt Rushmore - Head Coaches
« Reply #97 on: May 10, 2026, 02:30:20 PM »
The 2011 Alabama defense had, based on era/context, the best pass defense ever.  So yeah, a 'perfectly fine' pass offense is going to look like hot garbage against them, lol.
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