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Topic: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place

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OrangeAfroMan

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McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« on: January 17, 2024, 11:14:26 PM »
Do either McCarthy or Corum belong on UM's all-time team?

As it stands, I have at QB:
Henne
Grbac
Harbaugh
Brady
If you would include McCarthy, who would u remove?
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At RB:
Hart
Thomas
Wheatley
Harmon
If you would include Corum, who would u remove?
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As you can see, I don't blindly want the 4 statistical best, but 4 you can defend their statistical record with a cross-era variety whenever possible.
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2024, 06:33:55 AM »
As a college QB?

JJ > Brady
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2024, 09:07:26 AM »
yup, don't let the NFL influence the decision
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2024, 09:35:23 AM »
I guess I would replace Henne and Hart with JJ and Corum, respectively, since they never beat Ohio State. 
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2024, 12:27:03 PM »
JJ is easily the best QB to ever play at Michigan if we’re talking strictly college. And it’s not close. Which is nuts to say because he never reached his true potential or ceiling imo. 

Drew Henson was easily the most talented/gifted- but only had 10-11 starts to his name. 

It’s slim pickings at QB at Michigan- haven’t really had a whole lot of great ones. 

Corum certainly belongs in the convo. But to me the best back to ever play at Michigan was Wheatley. Freak of nature.
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2024, 12:44:44 PM »
Wheatley and Thomas were the two most talented.  In that order.  I guess you have to include Harmon.  Then you could make an argument for Corum along with a few others as that 4th.  Can Denard be a RB?

Henne has to be #1.  He was playing in an outdated offensive system.  Grbac, JJ and Harbaugh are probably the other 3.  Michigan old heads swear by Rick Leach.  He won a Silver Football, and was 3rd in Heisman voting.  But his passing numbers were just fine, and if you say he was run first, then just give me Denard.  I know different eras and all
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2024, 12:56:46 PM »
Croum feels like he should be in, but I’m not sure who I’d remove. Maybe Wheatley?

I’m not putting JJ in. Five-star Scott Tolzien with decent but not great wheels. (And maybe not even Tolzien reliable)
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2024, 01:27:46 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on January 18, 2024, 09:35:23 AM
I guess I would replace Henne and Hart with JJ and Corum, respectively, since they never beat Ohio State.
Replace Henne? I wouldn't blame the record vs OSU on Henne. I'd blame it on coaching and all the people behind the scenes in the way, which they were for a decade.

I think I'd go Henne, Griese, JJ, Grbac, Brady, Harbaugh, Denard

RB: A-Train, Wheatley, Corum, Biakabutuka, Hart, Perry, Haskins

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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2024, 09:08:38 PM »
Hmmm.  This hasn't been helpful at all.  :57:
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2024, 07:07:43 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 18, 2024, 12:44:44 PM
Wheatley and Thomas were the two most talented.  In that order.  I guess you have to include Harmon.  Then you could make an argument for Corum along with a few others as that 4th.  Can Denard be a RB?

Henne has to be #1.  He was playing in an outdated offensive system.  Grbac, JJ and Harbaugh are probably the other 3.  Michigan old heads swear by Rick Leach.  He won a Silver Football, and was 3rd in Heisman voting.  But his passing numbers were just fine, and if you say he was run first, then just give me Denard.  I know different eras and all
Yeah, I have to include some variety.  As I noted in the weird history thread, all teams' QBs would be from the past 25 years, if based solely on the stats.

Denard Robinson would make many all-time teams' as a RB.  But as a passer, he was pretty 'meh.'

Rick Leach started at QB 4 straight years.  While also 'meh' as a passer, he was relatively better, considering the era and improved immensely over time.
TD/INT ratios:
3 TD - 10 INT
13 TD - 7 INT
13 TD - 8 INT
16 TD - 4 INT
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2024, 07:15:34 PM »
dude,

it's all about undefeated seasons and mythical national championships

and Hypesman trophies

as you know
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2024, 07:58:04 PM »
That IS a good point.  A borderline guy with a NC > some guy who had a good Orange Bowl
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Re: McCarthy & Corum's Historical Place
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2024, 09:08:55 PM »
that's how it works for Husker QBs and I-backs
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