header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game

 (Read 2818 times)

mcwterps1

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3152
  • Liked:
Re: (3-1, 1-0) Maryland at #15 (4-1, 2-0) Michigan
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2018, 12:55:12 PM »
Pretty sure those were AAC officials for that game. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Bowling Green, yes.
Minnesota, no.

Officials are officials.

Randy Edsall's brother's posse. 
« Last Edit: October 04, 2018, 12:57:20 PM by mcwterps1 »

Brutus Buckeye

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 7544
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-0, 3-1) at #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2018, 01:26:05 PM »
If it weren't for the officiating, Michigan would be undefeated every season. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

ohio1317

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 283
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-0, 3-1) at #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2018, 01:27:41 PM »
Thia feels like a very telling game.  I think Maryland has made major strides, but which was the bigger fluke Texas or Temple?  I think Michigan might be really good and might just be OK (by Michigan standards).  This game won't fully answer those questions but will highly influence how I view them.

Edit: i do appreciate the stats with calls.  I can get behind the idea there is some reason for disparities and it is important to figure out (even if in the end it just ends up being a style of play or something).  I do appreciate the call doesn't go to it being a Big Ten conspiracy or something (people do not think things through on those).
« Last Edit: October 04, 2018, 01:30:01 PM by ohio1317 »

Anonymous Coward

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3187
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-0, 3-1) at #15 Michigan (2-0, 4-1) Game Week
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2018, 01:45:27 PM »
Maryland (3-1, 1-0 B1G)
Last week: Beat Minnesota, 42-13; Bye
Recap: Maryland had a bye this week, so the Minnesota game was the last piece of evidence we will get about Maryland before they play Michigan. And this latest piece of evidence was weird. Really, really weird. How does a team that scored zero offensive points and average 3.75 yards per play against Temple turn around and score 35 points (on 10 drives) and 8.47 yards per play against Minnesota? I suppose it’s possible Minnesota is just that bad, or that the Temple game was just a blip… but I don’t think you can write a coherent narrative of Maryland’s first four weeks that doesn’t contain at least one shrug emoji.
This team is as frightening as: Plinko, but where the $0 spots are replaced with “kick in the junk.” Fear Level = 6
Michigan should worry about: Maryland still has one of the most explosive running games in the country: they are #3 in the country in S&P+ marginal explosiveness and #6 in IsoPPP, and they lead the country in carries of 20+ yards against FBS competition. Maryland also has the #1 and #2 backs in terms of yards per carry: Anthony McFarland is averaging 10.78 YPC, and Ty Johnson is at 7.50 YPC.
Michigan can sleep soundly about: Remember how Minnesota made Michigan’s offense look last year? Yeah, they might not be the best barometer
When they play Michigan: Don Brown was born forged out of assorted scrap iron and push brooms to stop spread-to-run teams like Maryland.
Next week: @ Michigan, noon, ABC (Maryland +17.5)

mcwterps1

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3152
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2018, 12:08:19 PM »
UMD PENALTIES - 12 for 107 yards
UM PENALTIES - 6 for 52 yards

Answered

Brutus Buckeye

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 7544
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2018, 12:24:17 PM »

Yeah, the win subdued a lot of the Zebra animadversion from the Maize crowd. 

They generally keep that card tucked up their sleeve until they drop a game. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

Anonymous Coward

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3187
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2018, 12:32:16 PM »
Yeah we were commenting on it in the SOC. The refs even called holds against a Michigan opponent's OL. There are other explanations but that is at least consistent with Warde sending that chart to Rosemont.

mcwterps1

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3152
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2018, 01:53:36 PM »
Yeah we were commenting on it in the SOC. The refs even called holds against a Michigan opponent's OL. There are other explanations but that is at least consistent with Warde sending that chart to Rosemont.

JerseyTerrapin

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 160
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2018, 12:30:38 PM »
And, they didn't even look to see the targeting that occurred against Hill to start the game and set the tone.  
Yeah, I'm not an expert on the targeting thing, it's just so subjective, but in view of other calls we see routinely, it definitely should have been looked at in the least.  

I think the call against Watson was fair.  Good or bad, it's just not how football is played anymore...
« Last Edit: October 08, 2018, 12:32:55 PM by JerseyTerrapin »

Anonymous Coward

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3187
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2018, 01:41:14 PM »
I think this is as good a way as any to punctuate a thread that was often about referee mistrust. I mean. That right foot. JFC. Let's ignore the moneybag conspiracy and say that, unless this dude has cerebellar ataxia, this was a deliberate mistake and certain refs are just bad for the sport.


MrNubbz

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8859
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2018, 01:45:51 PM »
Where's the replay then we might have an accurate review of the ref's performance.His 1st spot could have been off then he corrects it.Or he could be fookin' cheating,it is an SEC contest afterall
“Did I hear God call me an idiot? ”― William P. Young

Anonymous Coward

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3187
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2018, 01:53:45 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5X1cElgBo4

I was initially going to say "That's fair and fairer than what I wrote" but I figured it'd be a hard replay to find. It wasn't. I rewatched it on 0.25x speed and the player came up short. Now, he probably was closer to it being 4th and 1 foot than 4th and 1 yard, but still, the official closest to and most responsible for the spot moves his foot in an unconventional way. I suppose it's not proof, but it sure is concerning.

MrNubbz

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8859
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2018, 02:00:50 PM »
Had to keep hitting stop,can't tell where his knee hits

got this off of an Officials Forum

The relevant rule is 2-40-3:

"The dead-ball spot is the spot under the foremost point of the ball when it becomes dead by rule."

In this case of the runner's knee hitting the ground, the ball becomes dead when his knee hits the ground. The dead-ball spot then is the foremost point of the ball at the moment his knee touched the ground.


but i still can't tell where his knee hits
« Last Edit: October 10, 2018, 02:08:41 PM by MrNubbz »
“Did I hear God call me an idiot? ”― William P. Young

Anonymous Coward

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 3187
  • Liked:
Re: Maryland (1-1, 3-2) at #15 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Post Game
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2018, 02:21:45 PM »
On the bottom of the video, you can use the little gear tool to slow the video down to 0.25x of normal speed.

Also: no matter where the ball should be spotted, this guy is the one responsible for that spot. The first place where he anchors his foot is conventionally it. He's not supposed to move his foot. But he dances it is an awkward way that is not convention and is concerning.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2018, 02:24:11 PM by Anonymous Coward »

 

Support the Site!