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Topic: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers

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847badgerfan

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #126 on: December 19, 2024, 11:43:02 AM »
You'd have a better chance of beating LeBron James one on one, with your shoes tied together, and using a football while on offense.
Not if I shot him first.


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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #127 on: December 19, 2024, 11:51:42 AM »
The full strength of the US military can't actively occupy the entire USA.  And that's assuming that 100% of US military forces would even follow orders to take up arms against American civilians.

This is a non-issue that people like to argue about.

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #128 on: December 19, 2024, 12:09:25 PM »
This is a non-issue that people like to argue about.

This.  

The ideas that the founders had about a citizenry being armed in case of idiots in government still largely apply, imo.  The extent to which any part of our government, federal, state, or local would realistically go against its own population for things not already understood as blatantly criminal or terror-related, is far more limited than its full capability, and thus an armed population is still a counter-balance to a few idiots who might try something stupid that the bulk of the population opposes.  

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #129 on: December 19, 2024, 12:19:23 PM »
This. 

The ideas that the founders had about a citizenry being armed in case of idiots in government still largely apply, imo.  The extent to which any part of our government, federal, state, or local would realistically go against its own population for things not already understood as blatantly criminal or terror-related, is far more limited than its full capability, and thus an armed population is still a counter-balance to a few idiots who might try something stupid that the bulk of the population opposes. 
Yup.  Just the possibility of armed civilian resistance, the capability of it, works to ensure that it never happens. 

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #130 on: December 19, 2024, 02:21:53 PM »
Not if I shot him first.


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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #131 on: December 19, 2024, 02:55:02 PM »
Yup.  Just the possibility of armed civilian resistance, the capability of it, works to ensure that it never happens.
I wonder what the balance would be there in terms of the bulk of the population.

Like, if the government had 30% of the population, and maybe a specific 30% of the population, could you do that to 70% of the population? Probably? 20-80? Who knows.

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #132 on: December 19, 2024, 04:10:43 PM »
ask the folks in Syria how it worked with Assad
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« Reply #133 on: December 19, 2024, 05:01:15 PM »
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #134 on: December 19, 2024, 05:19:58 PM »
ask the folks in Syria how it worked with Assad
what are you trying to say here? lol. fyi the folks who overthrew Assad weren't regular Joes, Achmeds, and Muhammads from Syria selling rugs and spices on the silk road to Damascus.....many were Saudi nationals that were Muslim fundamentalist extremists aka real life actual fucking terrorists- not the fake domestic terrorist pathetic J6'ers or Moms & Dads complaining to school boards in the US retards in the media and the shitlibtards went on and on about- rather real life hardcore card carrying gang-banging members of Al-Qaeda and the #2 guy in ISIS like Syria's brand new awesome leader! Which by the way, are terror groups that the US funded, armed, supplied intelligence, and supported in Syria for the last oh...11 years ever since that piece of shit Barrack Obama green lit a CIA operation called timber sycamore which had as it's aim to get rid of Bashar al-Assad at basically any cost.

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #135 on: December 19, 2024, 07:20:41 PM »
Ed Zachery

regular citizens armed with rifles and handguns aren't standing up to an idiot like Assad

if the feds decide to raid a complex armed to the teeth with white supremists or proud boys or any other group........ game over 
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #136 on: December 19, 2024, 08:20:08 PM »
There are veterans and groups of veterans with training and experience aplenty that could stand down just about any agency IF that agency plays it between the lines.

Feds and states know this.  Its a very vivid and discussed fear of theirs. Most vets who are also part of those feds and states and that I know find this funny.  Those profiled types are imagined as foes, when if this nation was ever infiltrated those vets would be massive assets----- unless those infiltrators WERE the feds... then, they'd have a problem. 

They "make us" and "used us for their games" and then they "fear us" when we're past that obligation, and seek means to neutralize us.

That's hilarious. 

If you think well armed citizens can't stand against feds or states, you need to reevaluate your reasoning.  The freakin taliban stood against the best trained and equipped military with loads and loads of gadgets with little more than tribal ingenuity... the Iraqi and insurgents of university aged, mostly, fighters laid a hurting on the same military- far more than anyone would have suspected, and did so with little if any training and less equipment. 

Taking ground when you don't plan on keeping it or extracting it's resources is easy.... taking it without massive infrastructural damage and retaining it? Not so easy. 

Deer hunters from Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana and west Virginia alone amd on opening day represent the largest standing army in the world... add the south and Texas in that, it's three times the largest standing army.  If together, nobody is ever taking this nation over from outside amd leaving anything worth having when they're done and if they're successful...

That isn't accidental; that's by design... design of our forefathers before it became corrupt to the core and they began to fear us.  The only reason they'd want us disarmed is if they plan on doing something we'd shoot them for.  Its that simple.  Furthermore and drawn from actual data, a well armed group is highly unlikely to be attacked by criminals.  When is the last time a police bar was robbed? Why aren't drug houses raided by other criminals all the time?  Has anyone ever busted into a gun club amd tried to hold them up or shoot them?  ..... I freakin wonder why. 

Kids.  That's the only reason a weapon should be secured.  And I'm all for having both state sponsored gun handling classes for kids as well as taking a kid at a young young age out with a BB gun and having them kill a bird or a rabbit just so they realize, harshly, how something can be destroyed in a moment and what that feels like.

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #137 on: December 19, 2024, 09:00:16 PM »
The depth of intellectualism only remains if spoken today 🙄
This is where I look like the arrogant prick when I refuse to believe you're this dense.

18th century wisdom concerning the US military vs the US citizenry doesn't apply to 21st century US military weaponry vs US citizenry.  You must know this and know this is the point.  FFS.

Musket vs musket?  Sure.  A worthwhile enterprise.  A chance of victory.  A real deterrent in large numbers.
An F-22 payload vs whatever 10 guns you have in your cabinet = give me a fucking break
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #138 on: December 19, 2024, 09:18:57 PM »
This is where I look like the arrogant prick when I refuse to believe you're this dense.

18th century wisdom concerning the US military vs the US citizenry doesn't apply to 21st century US military weaponry vs US citizenry.  You must know this and know this is the point.  FFS.

Musket vs musket?  Sure.  A worthwhile enterprise.  A chance of victory.  A real deterrent in large numbers.
An F-22 payload vs whatever 10 guns you have in your cabinet = give me a fucking break
Brutha, the taliban says "whu?"...

do you know what the likely #1 advantage the US military has over everyone in unconventional warfare? ....

a: night vision. 

I personally have three sets.  I know a lot of folks with more.  Picking folks off one by one is where our police excel.  Decimation of real estate is where our military excels.  The in between, which is the prospect of armed conflict within these walls, the armed citizens of this nation would give both police and the military hell.

But it doesn't matter and won't matter.  It will never happen.  After the first f22 owned by the US with US pilot running sorties over US soil, there will be no military.  It'll be a gaggle of pissed off well armed patriots who sabotage equipment they can't take with them on their march to DC. 

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #139 on: December 19, 2024, 09:26:58 PM »
Luckily it will never happen 
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