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Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #728 on:** August 22, 2018, 03:55:45 PM »

al·leged
əˈlejd/
adjective

(of an incident or a person) said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality.
"the alleged conspirators"

as·sault
əˈsôlt/
verb

1.
make a physical attack on.
"he pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer"

se·ri·al
ˈsirēəl/
adjective

1.
consisting of, forming part of, or taking place in a series.
"a serial publication"

se·ries
ˈsirēz/
noun

1.
a number of things, events, or people of a similar kind or related nature coming one after another.
"the explosion was the latest in a series of accidents"

num·ber
ˈnəmbər/
noun

1.
an arithmetical value, expressed by a word, symbol, or figure, representing a particular quantity and used in counting and making calculations and for showing order in a series or for identification.
"she dialed the number carefully"

MrNubbz · « **Reply #729 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:04:19 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 22, 2018, 03:50:13 PM

Go back and notice the word "alleged." If you did notice it but didn't care, then ... neat for you.
To be accused of multiple instances (rumors) of domestic violence is to allegedly be a serial abuser. There's plenty in this conversation that is up for debate. But if someone debates this one, that person is disagreeing with dictionaries.

You did edit it a minute after posting - just saying

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #730 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:07:56 PM »

That's fair. I usually edit for grammar, but may have added that word for better honesty. If HB read a version without that word and now thinks that "alleged" being in that sentence makes it true, then I guess we're all good.

SuperMario · « **Reply #731 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:11:31 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 22, 2018, 03:03:01 PM

Having, at one time, 790 people in 14 states reporting to me( thru 45 managers an 4 division managers) I can tell you, the act of terminating anyone without clear and specific cause is often not only extremely difficult- it can lead to serious liability.

You are certainly not wrong. Even in Ohio, being an at-will state, it has been incredibly difficult to terminate employees at times. It's not as cut and dry as many would like to think.

Roaddawg · « **Reply #732 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:25:59 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 22, 2018, 03:21:13 PM

Yes. Plural instances of domestic violence qualifies as serial assault. Therefore, after 2009, every new rumor added into a picture against Zach of alleged serial assault.

You have mentioned alleged, and even provided a definition of the word, but it seems in your view he is guilty of everything. I am going guess that Meyer does not share your view point, hence one of the many reasons why he did not get rid of the guy prior. In my background, I have worked with many people who should not have been where they were position wise, yet remained until something finally happened to remove them-be it retirement, or transfer or termination. That is what I read into this employment situation, not that Meyer turned a blind eye or built an environment that allowed this to occur.
The media and people in general are lumping this whole situation into one simple issue and it is not one simple issue. Smith, like it or not, in the legal arena is innocent until proven guilty. In the court of public opinion he has already been convicted. Good thing we have both in this country, because I am sure a lot of us here would have been tar and feathered for some of the stuff we have done in our pasts, and not allowed to even breath if we followed your guidelines of righteousness.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #733 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:35:18 PM »

I just want them to get this right- if there is such a thing.

If Meyer’s action or inaction led to anyone being harmed in any way- he has to accept a penalty.

If he couldn’t have been reasonably expected to know or do more- why ruin the career of one of the Icons of the sport? Does he really deserve it in that case- given that that process already started in the media?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #734 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:42:53 PM »

My GUESS is the Board/President want something like a two game suspension and Meyer is saying no, you showed I did nothing wrong.

They are now stuck.

They cave into Meyer and do nothing with bad optics or they come up with a way to fire him.

The board is concerned with optics. Meyer may not want to accept a penalty IF the investigation put him in the clear.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #735 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:46:47 PM »

Quote from: Roaddawg on August 22, 2018, 04:25:59 PM

You have mentioned alleged, and even provided a definition of the word, but it seems in your view he is guilty of everything. I am going guess that Meyer does not share your view point, hence one of the many reasons why he did not get rid of the guy prior. In my background, I have worked with many people who should not have been where they were position wise, yet remained until something finally happened to remove them-be it retirement, or transfer or termination. That is what I read into this employment situation, not that Meyer turned a blind eye or built an environment that allowed this to occur.
The media and people in general are lumping this whole situation into one simple issue and it is not one simple issue. Smith, like it or not, in the legal arena is innocent until proven guilty. In the court of public opinion he has already been convicted. Good thing we have both in this country, because I am sure a lot of us here would have been tar and feathered for some of the stuff we have done in our pasts, and not allowed to even breath if we followed your guidelines of righteousness.

If I was forced to bet on Zach's guilt, yeah, you've read me enough to know I'd have to decide that gambling against Zach is the best bet. But no one is forcing me to bet, obviously. So I'm sitting back and weighing just like you guys.
I'm also noticing that there's not really anything documented in his favor. The best thing to come out in favor of Zach is a contradicted report (the mom contradicted by herself, with documented texts) by the most partisan journalist involved (Snook). On the other hand, those texts, particularly the one where Zach responds in the affirmative ("I know") to Courtney's declaration of past abuse, is not proof but consistent with the narrative of DV guilt.
Many separate facts are consistent with his deserving to be fired (genitalia selfies, sexual relationship with a subordinate, being bad at football coaching, "Everybody knew" [Ramzy], etc.).
Recap: Is Zach guilty? Did he deserve to be fired long ago? It's not a conclusion. It can't be certain. But if forced to bet, it's the best bet.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #736 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:51:40 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 04:42:53 PM

My GUESS is the Board/President want something like a two game suspension and Meyer is saying no, you showed I did nothing wrong.

They are now stuck.

They cave into Meyer and do nothing with bad optics or they come up with a way to fire him.

The board is concerned with optics. Meyer may not want to accept a penalty IF the investigation put him in the clear.

why should he? if he followed protocol and is in the clear, there should be no punishment. hell, he's already missed 2+ weeks of coaching his team. that's got to have a detrimental effect on osu this season, at least early on.
if he failed to do something, no issue with some form of punishment equal to the crime, including dismissal. but IF he is cleared, then nothing should be done to him. and if i was meyer, i wouldn't stand for it.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #737 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:54:27 PM »

I think OSU is worried about image if they let Meyer off scott free no matter what the facts are, so they wanted a "2 game suspension", and Meyer said No Way, not going to accept that.

Now they are stuck. If they suspend him, he can come out in public and trash them. Then what?

Meyer may be talking to his lawyers about his contract options right now.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #738 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:56:02 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 04:42:53 PM

My GUESS is the Board/President want something like a two game suspension and Meyer is saying no, you showed I did nothing wrong.

They are now stuck.

They cave into Meyer and do nothing with bad optics or they come up with a way to fire him.

The board is concerned with optics. Meyer may not want to accept a penalty IF the investigation put him in the clear.

Just saw a Twitter post which says the board wants to completely reinstate him but the president is balking at that because Meyerdoes not want to serve any suspension and feels very strongly that he did nothing wrong

MrNubbz · « **Reply #739 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:56:52 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 04:42:53 PM

My GUESS is the Board/President want something like a two game suspension and Meyer is saying no, you showed I did nothing wrong.

They are now stuck.

They cave into Meyer and do nothing with bad optics or they come up with a way to fire him.

The board is concerned with optics. Meyer may not want to accept a penalty IF the investigation put him in the clear.

They fire a coach a day before under less than sterling circumstances.And the best UFM comes up with "who makes up a story like that".He neither prepared himself or made himself aware.A major fail for what he makes.I'd call his bluff - time off w/o pay or walk.Hopefully the right decision is made

FearlessF · « **Reply #740 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:57:24 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 22, 2018, 04:42:53 PM

My GUESS is the Board/President want something like a two game suspension and Meyer is saying no, you showed I did nothing wrong.

They are now stuck.

so, no press conference or word from the meeting at this time?

FearlessF · « **Reply #741 on:** August 22, 2018, 04:58:46 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 22, 2018, 04:56:02 PM

Just saw a Twitter post which says the board wants to completely reinstate him but the president is balking at that because Meyer does not want to serve any suspension and feels very strongly that he did nothing wrong

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