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TyphonInc

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #616 on: August 19, 2018, 01:03:34 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 18, 2018, 04:31:41 PM
It's true. The timing with the McMurphy piece could have been a coincidence. Or, even if the OSU brass already knew, the McMurphy report could merely have been the thing that brought enough negative PR to force them to act (fire Zach).
Wouldn't it be more the timing of the McMurphy Piece and the Firing by OSU coincided with the release of the Police report?
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« Reply #617 on: August 19, 2018, 01:14:30 PM »
Urban isn't the bad guy. McMurphy isn't the bad guy. Zach Smith and Zach Smith alone is the bad guy. Just a complete garbage human being. And if it wasn't for McMurphy's reporting, Smith would probably still be employed. The biggest issue people have with Urban is one- how in the hell could he employ such a mediocre coach and monumental scumbag for so long- and two- his lying and his hypocrisy.

Oh and this Jeff Snook character is grasping at straws. First he was saying it was Tom Herman who tipped of McMurphy because of an axe to grind because of recruiting. Then he was saying "Oh I overstated that recruiting angle." He still has yet to provide a single shred of evidence that it was Tom Herman who tipped off McMurphy. And by the way even if it was Tom Herman, who cares? He's not the bad guy in this whole mess either. Zach Smith is.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #618 on: August 19, 2018, 04:51:56 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 19, 2018, 01:14:30 PM
Urban isn't the bad guy. McMurphy isn't the bad guy. Zach Smith and Zach Smith alone is the bad guy. Just a complete garbage human being. And if it wasn't for McMurphy's reporting, Smith would probably still be employed. The biggest issue people have with Urban is one- how in the hell could he employ such a mediocre coach and monumental scumbag for so long- and two- his lying and his hypocrisy.
so, in my book, this makes Urban a bad guy
not as bad as Zach obviously, but bad
bad enuff to be fired??  I don't think so, but I'm not in charge.  But Urban is BAD
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #619 on: August 19, 2018, 06:42:24 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 18, 2018, 10:43:17 PM
This column, it does not inspire the confidence in Snook.

First of all, demanding the retraction via DM and then publicizing it is super weird. Then there is a LOT of ranting about ESPN and Finebaum and "the narrative." Not sure what to make of that.
So BM(couldn't come up with better initials) Finebaum & ESPN get a free pass on speculation but public record from a Police Dept is questionable.Say that out loud and see how it sounds.My apologies if I'm reading that wrong.I'm not on anybody's side but cleaning the slate.Courtney's own mother ratted her out as getting loose with the facts after tossing back a few - and that's being generous.I'm kinda hoping the whole thing goes to court,as I've previously stated.Like to see a changing of the guard at this point and watch courtney fold like a deck chair on the Titanic under scrutiny.BTW they can take Zack out back and disembowel him with a wooden spoon
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #620 on: August 19, 2018, 08:16:15 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 19, 2018, 06:42:24 PM
So BM(couldn't come up with better initials) Finebaum & ESPN get a free pass on speculation but public record from a Police Dept is questionable.Say that out loud and see how it sounds.My apologies if I'm reading that wrong.I'm not on anybody's side but cleaning the slate.Courtney's own mother ratted her out as getting loose with the facts after tossing back a few - and that's being generous.I'm kinda hoping the whole thing goes to court,as I've previously stated.Like to see a changing of the guard at this point and watch courtney fold like a deck chair on the Titanic under scrutiny.BTW they can take Zack out back and disembowel him with a wooden spoon
A. The retraction I was referring to was Snook DMing Herman's wife and demanding he retract his denial of Snook's report on his involvement.
 
B. This thing has gone through a dozen levels of the sports talk industrial complex. Many people have said many things. ESPN is the one people focus on because it's the one that is considered most important and the one everyone is convinced hates their team. Playing to those feelings wins points inside the tribe, but can make those outside it skeptical. In short, calling out "the narrative" doesn't hold Finebaum to account. It just makes it harder to take someone seriously. (Fun story, you know who thinks ESPN hates them, every SEC team's fans)
C. I'm not sure where the police department thing came in. I'm sure Courtney is a mess. I dunno that I'd gain any level of glee if she imploded in a public setting. Whatever floats someone's boat I guess. If it went to court, we might learn more about the inner workings of OSU football, which I somehow don't think comes out the better for that process. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #621 on: August 20, 2018, 08:41:48 AM »
You don't know where the Police Dept thing comes in?When the smoke clears they just might have as much to say as who did what - when.If this debacle heads in that direction
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #622 on: August 20, 2018, 10:10:07 AM »
honest question

If Meyer gets the boot will it really affect tOSU?  I view that program as a top program no mater who is leading it.  At least in the short term.  Obviously recruiting comes into it but PSU weathered the storm of Joe Pa and I imagine tOSU will be fine with or without Meyer
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #623 on: August 20, 2018, 10:22:33 AM »
Quote from: Benthere2 on August 20, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
honest question

If Meyer gets the boot will it really affect tOSU?  I view that program as a top program no mater who is leading it.  At least in the short term.  Obviously recruiting comes into it but PSU weathered the storm of Joe Pa and I imagine tOSU will be fine with or without Meyer
We always said that about Michigan too.  Lloyd Carr was viewed as a guy who just didn't mess things up.  I think post-retirement (at least purely as a coach) he's viewed more favorably.
Every helmet schools except Ohio State has gone through a rough patch in the last 30 years.
Notre Dame has finished in the top 10 once in the past 25 years, they've finished below .500 five teams in that span.
Michigan hasn't won or even played for a Big Ten title in 14 years, and has finished unranked in 7 of the past 10 years
From 2000-08 Alabama only finished higher than 3rd in the own division once, and finished unranked in 7 of 9 seasons.
Texas hasn't won or played for a Big XII title in 9 years, finishing ranked just once during that time.
Oklahoma went 13 years without a Big 8/12 title from 1988 until 2000, and and had a 5 years stretch of finishing .500 or worse before hiring Stoops
USC lost at least 5 games every year but 2 from 1990-2001, going to only one Rose Bowl during that stretch, and going 6 straight years finishing unranked.
So is Ohio State better positioned than most to survive losing a great head coach?  Obviously.  But to believe that Ohio State is the lone school immune to bad coaching hires, or that they are the lone school that any coach could win at, seems naive.  If all of those other schools can go through rough patches, OSU can too.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #624 on: August 20, 2018, 10:33:59 AM »
Quote from: Benthere2 on August 20, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
honest question

If Meyer gets the boot will it really affect tOSU?  I view that program as a top program no mater who is leading it.  At least in the short term.  Obviously recruiting comes into it but PSU weathered the storm of Joe Pa and I imagine tOSU will be fine with or without Meyer
IMO for at least a season or two as many recruits may back off because of Meyer being gone or the cloud over the program.And like it or not  other programs will negatively recruit it's the nature of that aspect 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #625 on: August 20, 2018, 10:38:33 AM »
Quote from: ELA on August 20, 2018, 10:22:33 AM
Every helmet schools except Ohio State has gone through a rough patch in the last 30 years.But to believe that Ohio State is the lone school immune to bad coaching hires, or that they are the lone school that any coach could win at, seems naive.  If all of those other schools can go through rough patches, OSU can too.
SHUSH,trying to put the whammie on us,there was nothing wrong with the last 30 yrs.We even lost a couple of NCG's
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #626 on: August 20, 2018, 11:17:48 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 20, 2018, 08:41:48 AM
You don't know where the Police Dept thing comes in?When the smoke clears they just might have as much to say as who did what - when.If this debacle heads in that direction
Comes in on my Snook comment? No. 
I await the police department spilling everything. I remain skeptical it will happen.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #627 on: August 20, 2018, 03:02:19 PM »
Trustees meet 9AM wednesday. Who knows if that is to validate a decision or to come to an agreement on one.

Also, this provided some insight as to why McMurphy released the info he did last Friday. The subordinate admin assistant being moved into a different job is a bit of a new wrinkle. 

https://247sports.com/Article/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Brett-McMurphy-details-Zach-Smith-sex-findings-Urban-Meyers-outlook-120843516/

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #628 on: August 20, 2018, 04:44:46 PM »
Just curious how does anyone know or prove what was sent/mailed to someone's place of employment?Does McMurphy have copies of the invoice.Did the supposed other employee forward info to him?The Night Cleaners?The Trainers?How does that work?

 I mean really does someone have copies/pics?
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #629 on: August 20, 2018, 05:30:04 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 20, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
Comes in on my Snook comment? No.
I await the police department spilling everything. I remain skeptical it will happen.
The police department won't spill anything in a media sense, they will spill whatever is relevant to their involvement in any court proceedings, and only with any criminal aspects. If the sex with a co-worker, the sex toy mail package, the photos of whatever, or other use of his cell phone violated any criminal laws, then they could be involved in those matters as well.  Again, if that all happened, and Meyer was not aware, then not an issue to his situation.  IF he addressed, and kept Smith on staff, lowers Meyers character in my opinion, but still not a thing I would fire him over.  As AD, I would set a clear line of expectations for future situations.  IF Meyer knew, and ignored all of it (which I do not think occurred) then out the door he goes as well.  To bring up every little incident, to me is, is meaning less, unless you are trying to really fire the guy, or as a media person, embarrass the program.  I know McMurphy probabaly does not care at this point, because his access to Ohio State Athletics is most likely blacked out. 
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