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Then why did your man Trump order the bipartisan border deal shanked in the House?

I think it's pretty clear why, don't you think?

Then why did your man Trump order the bipartisan border deal shanked in the House?

Getting the border control agencies the manpower and equipment they need to do said border enforcement had wholesale support from all quarters in the Senate.

This is not the argument you want to make.

Trump is not "my man".

He is just so clearly an INFINITELY better alternative to the fantastically corrupt, incompetent, diaper shitting, weak ineffective senile President we have now. In my opinion.

Biden has had 3 PLUS FCKING YEARS to try and get something done on illegal immigration at the border. He's only doing it right now because the election is in less than 8 months and he's way down in all the polls and illegal immigration is one of the top 2 priorities for virtually every American voter according to most polling. So spare me.

And it's quite obvious why the House shanked the deal. The Republicans don't want to give Biden any perceived "W's" before the election and they want him out. Both sides are assholes for this. Biden should've done something day one on the border instead of let it fester into the disaster it is. And the Republicans should've worked with him right now to get something done for America.

Biden wanted the immigration bill because it gave him more to process illegal immigrants, not curtail illegal immigration.   The Biden administration doesn't need any further law or funding to stop the disaster at the border.  They created the disaster all by themselves and can undue it.

Then why did your man Trump order the bipartisan border deal shanked in the House?

Getting the border control agencies the manpower and equipment they need to do said border enforcement had wholesale support from all quarters in the Senate.

This is not the argument you want to make.

The so called "Bipartisan Border deal" did nothing to stop illegal immigration. The money allocated was simply to process those that came across the border faster allowing for yet more aliens to be processed. I wrote to my congressman and senators begging them to vote no on this prior to hearing anything Trump had to say about it. 

Trump is not "my man".

He is just so clearly an INFINITELY better alternative to the fantastically corrupt, incompetent, diaper shitting, weak ineffective senile President we have now. In my opinion.

Biden has had 3 PLUS FCKING YEARS to try and get something done on illegal immigration at the border. He's only doing it right now because the election is in less than 8 months and he's way down in all the polls and illegal immigration is one of the top 2 priorities for virtually every American voter according to most polling. So spare me.

And it's quite obvious why the House shanked the deal. The Republicans don't want to give Biden any perceived "W's" before the election and they want him out. Both sides are assholes for this. Biden should've done something day one on the border instead of let it fester into the disaster it is. And the Republicans should've worked with him right now to get something done for America.

There was other garbage tied to the deal that many didn't like.

They don't do deals. There is always shit attached to any piece of legislation - and both sides do it.

Drives me nuts.

I don't blame you because the money on BOTH sides of the aisle tell you this all the time. They even buy studies that purport to "prove" it, but this is wildly untrue.

The welfare state and benefits like Social Security and Medicare make nearly any additions to the pool of recipients a net negative for us all economically.

Social Security and Medicare are substantially underwater. Ignore immigrants for a moment and just consider the economics of those programs for people born here:

• Social Security charges 6.2% of your wages.
• Medicare charges 1.45% of your wages.
• If you are self-employed you pay double that.
• If you work for someone else they pay the other half.

Thus, the total collected by the systems is 12.4% of earnings for Social Security and 2.9% of earnings for Medicare.

The two programs are theoretically separate but in practice they function together so, in total the Federal Government collects 15.3% of earned income for Social Security and Medicare.

As already mentioned both programs are massively underwater so that 15.3% is nowhere close to sufficient. This is despite the fact that each American pays it from their very first day flipping burgers at McDonald's in their teens until their very last day passing out carts at Wal-Mart in their old age (McDonald's and Wal-Mart are merely examples, the point is that Americans pay $1.53 of every $10 they earn from cradle to grave into SS/Medicare).


Since both systems are drowning in red ink we know that the average American isn't paying enough into the systems to cover their own costs.

Now back to immigrants:
Since we already know that the average American is a net drain in SS/Medicare, we also know that adding additional average Americans can only make those problems worse. You can't lose money on each person and make it up on volume, math doesn't work that way.

In theory we could benefit from high earning immigrants so long as their earnings are sufficient but there are additional problems spawned by immigration. The first is age. Even if SS/Medicare had some combination of higher rates or lower benefits such that the average American did pay for themselves, the numbers would still only work for immigrants who came here right at the start of their working lives. Anybody older than that couldn't possibly catch up without earnings way above average.

A prospective immigrant in their early 20's who has a job lined up with a six figure salary *MIGHT* pay for themselves but all other immigrants both legal AND illegal are a net drain on the economy. Anybody who tells you otherwise is either ignorant, lying, or a shill working for the Koch brothers or some similar person or entity.

Wow, that sounds terrible. And we let Americans have CHILDREN adding more burden to this system? 

I heard about a country with a one-child policy... Perhaps we should try that. 

Various items I've read suggest immigration, even illegal, is a net plus for our economy.  I realize they may well be false, I can't tell.  I think more legal immigrants would help our SS situation.  Bear in mind your SS benefits relate to how much you paid into the system over 35 years.  If you live longer, you do get back more than you put in of course.  

Japan has a MAJOR population crisis, they average 1.3 kids per couple, and the population is declining, and they basically don't allow immigration to any extent.  It is one factor that is limiting their economy.  My impression of Japan vicariously is that they are a declining country, not doing well at all.