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Cincydawg

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« Reply #29316 on: March 05, 2024, 02:01:53 PM »
There were enough violent types to overcome barriers and the Capitol Police and others.  There must have been hundreds who were engaged in the attack, the videos all suggest there were a lot of them.  I don't think 20 or 50 could have done all that.

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« Reply #29317 on: March 05, 2024, 02:05:23 PM »
Do we know exactly how many got inside? I don't think I ever saw a count.

And yes, there were some very bad (unarmed) actors involved. The zip tie thing hit me the most. That is bad intention.
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« Reply #29318 on: March 05, 2024, 02:08:34 PM »
Yeah, and if the SCOTUS grants complete and total Presidential immunity to anything a President does while in office, what's to stop Biden from sending a SEAL team to kill Trump?
Oh or you mean like Obama from sending drones to kill American citizens? Cause he did that. Five times. One of which was a fcking 15 year old boy. Where was the due process there to deny American citizens life? Let's not forget his illegal wars of aggression in Syria and Libya which displaced, maimed, or killed millions and lead both to becoming essentially failed states. Was he charged for those crimes? Or about his governments massive illegal warrantless spying program. Charged with any of those crimes?

What about George W Bush from illegally lying the US into a war of aggression and occupation in Iraq in which as many as a million Iraqi's were killed as a result of that illegal war and many millions more displaced and maimed. If that wasn't bad enough, the son of a bitch ordered a world wide torture program- a violation of our own laws let alone international law.

Presidents are never charged for their crimes. Ever. If the laws from the Nuremberg trials were applied then just about every US President post WWII would be hung.

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« Reply #29319 on: March 05, 2024, 02:11:23 PM »
Dude. You really need to quit reading the Epoch Times, the RNC day sheets, and whatever other sources that have you hair-trigger angry all the time. Being hair-trigger angry all the time is a really lousy way to live.

Many Americans need to learn how to lose.
I've never even heard of the Epoch Times and I am not a republican by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh you mean like the Democrats, who claimed for 8+ years after Hillary lost that Russia was behind it all and the President was a Putin puppet? Yeah, I agree, the psycho Democrats need to learn how to lose.

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« Reply #29320 on: March 05, 2024, 02:13:15 PM »
Do you often read the NYT? 

Most of it, in my view, is apolitical, and well written, and can be interesting (or not).  I read it rarely myself, usually when it's free from a hotel or something.  I do get a daily email from one of their writers that can be pretty good.

I guess I'm retarded.
I've read it for years. I still do. It's GREAT for a laugh. 

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« Reply #29321 on: March 05, 2024, 02:13:21 PM »
Wiki says more than 2,000 entered the building.  And some nenver engaged in violence or destruction, but clearly a goodly number did.

More than 1,230 people have been charged with federal crimes in the riot, ranging from misdemeanor offenses like trespassing to felonies like assaulting police officers and seditious conspiracy. Roughly 730 people have pleaded guilty to charges, while another roughly 170 have been convicted of at least one charge at a trial decided by a judge or a jury, according to an Associated Press database.

Only two defendants have been acquitted of all charges, and those were trials decided by a judge rather than a jury.
About 750 people have been sentenced, with almost two-thirds receiving some time behind bars. Prison sentences have ranged from a few days of intermittent confinement to 22 years in prison. The longest sentence was handed down to Enrique Tarrio, the former Proud Boys national chairman who was convicted of seditious conspiracy for what prosecutors described as a plot to stop the transfer of power from Trump, a Republican, to Joe Biden, a Democrat.

Many rioters are already out of prison after completing their sentences, including some defendants who engaged in violence. Scott Fairlamb — a New Jersey man who punched a police officer during the riot and was the first Jan. 6 defendant to be sentenced for assaulting law enforcement — was released from Bureau of Prisons’ custody in June.




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« Reply #29322 on: March 05, 2024, 02:14:41 PM »
Maybe if you don't want to be subjected to trials during election season, try not to commit crimes?
being charged with a crime does not = committing a crime. people are innocent until proven guilty.

some of these alleged crimes, not all, some- especially the NY civil cases- are complete and utter horseshit and aren't crimes at all.

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« Reply #29323 on: March 05, 2024, 02:18:47 PM »
What caused the Facebook, Instagram outages today? (thehill.com)

This apparently constituted a major crisis for the Republic, the entire world in fact.
pretty odd this happened like not even a week or so after ATT has massive outages. I didn't have cell service for an entire day that day. was actually kind of nice.

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« Reply #29324 on: March 05, 2024, 02:20:18 PM »
It seems like that woulda been the easiest out for the court. But doesn’t sound like they took that path.
not really. they went with the easiest out. the constitution. read section 5 of article 14 of the US constitution. case closed. end of story. no need to say more. 

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« Reply #29325 on: March 05, 2024, 02:32:55 PM »
kinda crazy how people throw around words where they don't belong and then words start to lose their meanings.

insurrection is a very specific thing with a very specific meaning.

putting that aside, even if it was an insurrection (it wasn't) but even if it was- would be impossible to pin that on Trump. his public statements were always "protest peacefully" which is his 1st amendment right to say and those people have 1st amendment rights to protest (peacefully of course). Pretty open and shut, cased close. He never publicly stated- hey guys- go commit trespassing, property damage, or assault. His exact words were "protest peacefully".

But OMERG it was such an insurrection these dipshits forgot to bring their guns or kill anyone! What an insurrection! LULZ.

By the way in regards to the FBI there is 1000000% way more to that story than they are letting on. They likely had agents on the ground. And they FOR SURE had intelligence this could happen and ignored it all instead of beefing up security. 

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« Reply #29326 on: March 05, 2024, 02:40:50 PM »
Oh or you mean like Obama from sending drones to kill American citizens? Cause he did that. Five times. One of which was a fcking 15 year old boy. Where was the due process there to deny American citizens life? Let's not forget his illegal wars of aggression in Syria and Libya which displaced, maimed, or killed millions and lead both to becoming essentially failed states. Was he charged for those crimes? Or about his governments massive illegal warrantless spying program. Charged with any of those crimes?

What about George W Bush from illegally lying the US into a war of aggression and occupation in Iraq in which as many as a million Iraqi's were killed as a result of that illegal war and many millions more displaced and maimed. If that wasn't bad enough, the son of a bitch ordered a world wide torture program- a violation of our own laws let alone international law.

Those are very different situations. While we can argue the particulars about every one of those individual cases, there is really no argument whatsoever that those actions were taken as part of the President's official capacity and duties to protect national security. You can argue they were wrong, you can argue the violate international law, and it's STILL a completely different situation. 


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Presidents are never charged for their crimes. Ever. If the laws from the Nuremberg trials were applied then just about every US President post WWII would be hung.

So if Presidents are never charged with their crimes, and have total immunity, what's to stop Biden from having Trump killed? Biden should have nothing to fear doing so, right? 




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« Reply #29327 on: March 05, 2024, 02:47:18 PM »

not really. they went with the easiest out. the constitution. read section 5 of article 14 of the US constitution. case closed. end of story. no need to say more.
And yet they did say more. 

Section 5 says that Congress has power to enforce. It doesn't say nobody else can enforce. And the entire purpose of the Enforcement Act of 1870 was the [very rational] fear that the Southern states, who SHOULD be able to enforce this, wouldn't do so. And so you had to create new law to enforce upon them what they were supposed to enforce themselves. 

And then SCOTUS went above and beyond that and said that ONLY Congress can ever enforce 14AS3. If Trump is convicted, a Federal Court can't issue an order barring him from office as part of the sentence. The Attorney General of the United States cannot issue an order barring him from office. They didn't need to say that. It was plainly an additional layer of protection for Trump, and one that 4 of the 9 justices called out as an unnecessary overreach.

So if they were going to overreach, why not just declare that the Colorado courts were wrong and Trump wasn't engaging in an insurrection, and end the matter entirely? Oh, yeah, because it would make SCOTUS look like fools. 

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« Reply #29328 on: March 05, 2024, 02:49:07 PM »
Name-calling is childish, immature behavior in any context.

Brandon or potted plant or orange man.  Stupid, immature name-calling.

Everyone on this forum should be better than that.
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« Reply #29329 on: March 05, 2024, 02:57:58 PM »

 

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