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longhorn320

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« Reply #28168 on: December 13, 2023, 10:39:59 PM »
Young folks have been makings the two mistakes I mention for a long time no matter what generation the are a member of

I guess saying it another way some of the roadblocks in their way are a result of poor planning and bad career strategy
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« Reply #28169 on: December 13, 2023, 10:51:13 PM »
So that's actually interesting.

While the world will always need lawyers, we actually had a surplus for a while. Law schools, needing funding, minted too many. It was a whole thing.

The other two are sort of on the other side of things. They're professions with higher levels of gatekeeping because we want really, really good accountants and engineers. So many, many people, no matter how much research they do, ain't making that cut. (Accounting is also interesting because that job just knocks people around, so that might be a sign of surplus, since you can't just fly off to an easier job).

In the end, I am doubtful people are getting an english lit degree because they were able to be engineers or accountants but simply didn't realize. Econ is an odd one because it's a good precursor to a lot of white collar work, as it involves a modest amount of math and such. Better than history, for sure.
Im simply trying to point out that young people often do not plan properly to enter a career that will give them what they want in life

If a person wants job security they should pick a profession which is needed by society that meets their interests and future earning potential

some degrees are a nonstarter and yet folks still go after them and this could be avoided with proper planning
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« Reply #28170 on: December 13, 2023, 11:22:03 PM »
meaning?
Meaning wages have been stagnant since 1970.  
They crept up for the 20 years before that, incrementally, and were enough to provide for a family.  
Since then, people make the same amount of money, while the cost of everything has increased.  
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So we wind up with the generation that had it financially easy bitching about the young generation that has it financially impossible (when talking one-income families).  
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« Reply #28171 on: December 14, 2023, 12:14:08 AM »
Meaning wages have been stagnant since 1970. 
They crept up for the 20 years before that, incrementally, and were enough to provide for a family. 
Since then, people make the same amount of money, while the cost of everything has increased. 
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So we wind up with the generation that had it financially easy bitching about the young generation that has it financially impossible (when talking one-income families). 
The only problem with your theory is that its just wrong

Both my children were born in the mid 80s and had a very well thought out plan for their careers

My son is a CPA and makes more then I ever did

My daughter is an attorney for a large law firm in Houston and again does very well salary wise

I say all this not to brag but to support that their successful careers was  not an accident of luck but the reward from a very well thought out plan

Do all children have the same opportunity sadly no but Im speaking about the ones that do and just blow it through poor planning

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« Reply #28172 on: December 14, 2023, 03:01:55 AM »
Please change your name to Captain Small Sample Size or Mr Anecdotal Evidence.

Sheeesh.  We can't even have a conversation.
My post involves tens of millions of people (conservatively) and yours addresses 2.  
I mean seriously.
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« Reply #28173 on: December 14, 2023, 07:34:16 AM »
Having a plan beyond which house party to go to on Saturday is important.

Having a plan before entering the post-secondary world is even more critical.

The process:

What program am I best qualified for? What fields interest me most? Can I get into the college of engineering? 

No? But that's my interest! 

Maybe I should consider an associate degree in manufacturing or construction technology. 

Man, that would cost me 1/10 of going to the University of ____________ - double bonus!

I can make $60-70K/year out of the gate doing this?

Now I have a plan.
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« Reply #28174 on: December 14, 2023, 07:39:14 AM »
That's awesome.  And without knowing much, I think you own a small to midsize firm?  And I think that is somewhat true.  The funny thing is the large firms that come in, scoop the top 2% out, and then just replace them with lateral hires from small and mid size firms.  I think that's the market issue that I'm shocked hasn't fixed itself yet.  I can't speak to other arenas, but in law, I think the major issue is that 1L and 2L summer hires are a huge prestige issue.  Small and midsize firms don't have the capacity to take on interns often.  Even unpaid, you are talking about lost costs from the attorneys that train them, and the certainly can't afford to pay them.  The large firms can, and they can hand them off to some 3rd year associate to find them work.  It's hard to tell a 22 year old not to take a (relatively) well paying summer job with a large firm.  Then, when they get an offer, early in their 3L year, when no small or midsize firms are handing out offers to students who are 10 months away from taking the bar, you are asking them to throw away a well paying guaranteed offer, for the chance to work at a firm where they could grow their practice.
We have around 30 people today. We've been as many as 35, and as little as 3 (2008 took us from about 20 down to 3). And yes, we've lost some to the big boys - after we trained them. We do take interns even though it's painful.

My first job was working at an Italian Beef joint when I was 14 (work permit from HS). Pay was not much but some of the food was free.
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« Reply #28175 on: December 14, 2023, 07:40:47 AM »
Meaning wages have been stagnant since 1970. 
They crept up for the 20 years before that, incrementally, and were enough to provide for a family. 
Since then, people make the same amount of money, while the cost of everything has increased. 
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I think you should note that wages have cre[t up but so have prices, rather than wages are stagnate and prices have gone up.

I've pointed to the chart showing real median income growth as perhaps the most important metric in judging the economy.  Clearly we've have significant periods when it has done pretty well, and then others when it hasn't (called recessions).



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« Reply #28176 on: December 14, 2023, 08:02:56 AM »
Speaking of football schedules .... the Dawgs play at Texas and at Alabama, in addition to Clemson (ATL) and at Ole Miss and Tennessee in Athens.

They don't play USCe or Vandy.

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« Reply #28177 on: December 14, 2023, 10:55:35 AM »
Please change your name to Captain Small Sample Size or Mr Anecdotal Evidence.

Sheeesh.  We can't even have a conversation.
My post involves tens of millions of people (conservatively) and yours addresses 2. 
I mean seriously.
I know you cant believe my example also represents anyone in your millions that have the opportunity to choose their career and control their destiny but it does

you are a teacher and thats the result of a plan

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« Reply #28178 on: December 14, 2023, 11:45:40 AM »
There are a lot of really good paying jobs right now that are not being filled. This is disturbing to me, because the requirements to fulfill many of these jobs, in most cases, require a 2-year degree, or less.

For example, healthcare. There are shortages in just about all of the below programs.

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« Reply #28179 on: December 14, 2023, 11:52:21 AM »
There are a lot of really good paying jobs right now that are not being filled. This is disturbing to me, because the requirements to fulfill many of these jobs, in most cases, require a 2-year degree, or less.

For example, healthcare. There are shortages in just about all of the below programs.


Yep. My wife's office lost their medical assistant and she needed to hire a new one about 6 months ago. She previously would have gotten 40-50 resumes the first day a posting went up. She might have had 2 dozen over the course of 10 days this time, and only two were even remotely appropriate. 

It's not the MOST high paying job in healthcare, but it only takes a HS diploma and less than a year of additional schooling to get the MA certificate. And that can get you a job with predictable hours and be a stepping stone if you want to try to advance requiring additional study in your off time (as several of my wife's previous employees have done). 

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« Reply #28180 on: December 14, 2023, 11:57:02 AM »
It seems kids are not getting good counseling, often as not.  I've noted in the past that about 65% of HS grads in the US go to college.  In Europe, it's closer to 35%.  College here is kind of an expectancy, for anyone who is even a half decent HS student, not even average for graduates.   When I started, it seemed like half the freshman class was "premed", a thing which didn't last very long.  

I admit to expecting my own to attend college.  They weren't elite students but they were certainly in the top level of class work in HS.  And they did well at THE Ohio State.

Expectations.

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« Reply #28181 on: December 14, 2023, 11:59:08 AM »
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