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FearlessF

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« Reply #28154 on: December 13, 2023, 03:57:32 PM »
I was nearly 26 when I started my first real job.
I got a summer job while in college.
Turned it into a real job
maybe 22
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« Reply #28155 on: December 13, 2023, 04:22:11 PM »
Not just any old message board dammit.
Just a message board filled with old people.

If anything, the lack of new blood over the past 20 years has certainly improved the medical experiences discussions

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« Reply #28156 on: December 13, 2023, 04:36:08 PM »
2.) I think there is some truth to this.  However, there are a couple of barriers.  First, a lot of larger firms hire kids straight out of college just as cheap labor, with no desire to promote them.  A lot of them, from engineering firms, to accounting firms, to law firms, want those new hires to burn the candle, and then leave.  Then upper management is all laterals that bring their own book with them.  The other end is the back end not retiring.  I can't tell you how many partners at our firm are "retired".  They still manage their large clients, but don't actually ever bill any hours, but are also unwilling to hand the client off to anyone.  The junior partner on our largest client is 52.  The managing partner is in his 80s
Our firm is different.

We encourage growth and seasoning with the goal of the older guys (me) handing off clients (I don't have any clients now) to those who stayed and grew. Then the older guys (me) get slowly bought out (wish it was faster) while we (me) spend our time supporting the younger guys in the form of actually doing land surveying and civil engineering work.

Very happy to still be able to perform that work - and I still tell the young guys that I've forgotten more than they know. They agree, which is good, because they ask questions and take advice.

Those who stay will be champions, so to speak.
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« Reply #28157 on: December 13, 2023, 04:39:26 PM »
I got a summer job while in college.
Turned it into a real job
maybe 22
I got my first real job working (not so much really) at IDOT (gubmint) while I was still in high school. 

Had a hard time finding a private firm to take me on, as IDOT was (is?) noteworthy for employing people with low work ethics.

My boss used to give me work to do on Monday morning and at the end of the day I went to him to tell him I was done. He said that was supposed to last all week.

I got really good at shooting flies with rubber bands.
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« Reply #28158 on: December 13, 2023, 04:45:22 PM »
Yeah, my first job was being a caddie at the age of 13 b/c there was no other legal work available. Not sure if that's considered a "real" job or not. But from the time I was 14 and could get a work permit from my guidance counselor (needed until 16 in IL at the time) I've been filing income tax returns every year. 


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« Reply #28159 on: December 13, 2023, 04:50:27 PM »
I started working at age 8 at our family restaurant, washing dishes and bussing tables.  Didn't file any income tax returns for that though.

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« Reply #28160 on: December 13, 2023, 05:42:19 PM »
Our firm is different.

We encourage growth and seasoning with the goal of the older guys (me) handing off clients (I don't have any clients now) to those who stayed and grew. Then the older guys (me) get slowly bought out (wish it was faster) while we (me) spend our time supporting the younger guys in the form of actually doing land surveying and civil engineering work.

Very happy to still be able to perform that work - and I still tell the young guys that I've forgotten more than they know. They agree, which is good, because they ask questions and take advice.

Those who stay will be champions, so to speak.
That's awesome.  And without knowing much, I think you own a small to midsize firm?  And I think that is somewhat true.  The funny thing is the large firms that come in, scoop the top 2% out, and then just replace them with lateral hires from small and mid size firms.  I think that's the market issue that I'm shocked hasn't fixed itself yet.  I can't speak to other arenas, but in law, I think the major issue is that 1L and 2L summer hires are a huge prestige issue.  Small and midsize firms don't have the capacity to take on interns often.  Even unpaid, you are talking about lost costs from the attorneys that train them, and the certainly can't afford to pay them.  The large firms can, and they can hand them off to some 3rd year associate to find them work.  It's hard to tell a 22 year old not to take a (relatively) well paying summer job with a large firm.  Then, when they get an offer, early in their 3L year, when no small or midsize firms are handing out offers to students who are 10 months away from taking the bar, you are asking them to throw away a well paying guaranteed offer, for the chance to work at a firm where they could grow their practice.

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« Reply #28161 on: December 13, 2023, 05:45:21 PM »
I got day work catering UM's various college graduation parties starting at 15.  I made maybe $500 working 2 weeks around campus.  But my dad sure as shit sat me down and taught me how to file a tax return.

Fast forward 10 years, and my wife's family outsourced theirs to some random "accountant" who only worked through her one uncle.  I took them over, and reviewing her previous year returns I told her, she was lucky she didn't make enough money for them to care, but her dad needed to take his taxes elsewhere, and walked him through all of the issues I found.

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« Reply #28162 on: December 13, 2023, 09:06:00 PM »
Both of those are very true.

We get kids who interview and imply that they want to take my job.

I'm thinking "You really want THAT?" while also thinking WTF have you ever done?
Did you ever consider WHY they act that way???

Back in the day, you could support a 4-person family on one sub-supervisory income.  Now you can't support shit on one income.
There's a lot of goofy shit younger workers say, think, and do, but on this, they're just trying to financially stay afloat.  All the decades of efficiency large companies have implemented has trimmed A LOT of monies going to the worker bees.  Corporations used to be fat, bloated entities gettng by on high volume.  Now, they're smart and shrewd, and the worker bees get bent.
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« Reply #28163 on: December 13, 2023, 09:40:30 PM »
Did you ever consider WHY they act that way???

Back in the day, you could support a 4-person family on one sub-supervisory income.  Now you can't support shit on one income.
There's a lot of goofy shit younger workers say, think, and do, but on this, they're just trying to financially stay afloat.  All the decades of efficiency large companies have implemented has trimmed A LOT of monies going to the worker bees.  Corporations used to be fat, bloated entities gettng by on high volume.  Now, they're smart and shrewd, and the worker bees get bent.
sometimes the worker bee wants to go directly to Queen and while ambition is good some of these worker bees honestly dont understand what getting experience is and the need for it

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« Reply #28164 on: December 13, 2023, 10:11:02 PM »
It's not 1967.  
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« Reply #28165 on: December 13, 2023, 10:26:21 PM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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« Reply #28166 on: December 13, 2023, 10:30:56 PM »
Uh huh...

Millennials, Gen Z go on tirades over jobs climate: 'A bone to pick with America' (foxbusiness.com)
Millennials, Gen Z go on tirades over jobs climate: 'A bone to pick with America' (foxbusiness.com)
I mean this nicely to whoever compiled this piece of ... fun content for older folks. 

People complain all the time every day about all sorts of nonsense. You can round up a mess of people complaining about damn near everything. Some people are saying they deserve more of a thing? Oh wow. That's people. 

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« Reply #28167 on: December 13, 2023, 10:36:26 PM »
I think young folks today sometimes make two big mistakes when deciding on a career choice

1 Not researching what career choices actually pay and the public need for the career under consideration
Society will always need doctors lawyers engineers and accountants but not so much some degrees in economics or English literature

So that's actually interesting. 

While the world will always need lawyers, we actually had a surplus for a while. Law schools, needing funding, minted too many. It was a whole thing.

The other two are sort of on the other side of things. They're professions with higher levels of gatekeeping because we want really, really good accountants and engineers. So many, many people, no matter how much research they do, ain't making that cut. (Accounting is also interesting because that job just knocks people around, so that might be a sign of surplus, since you can't just fly off to an easier job).

In the end, I am doubtful people are getting an english lit degree because they were able to be engineers or accountants but simply didn't realize. Econ is an odd one because it's a good precursor to a lot of white collar work, as it involves a modest amount of math and such. Better than history, for sure. 

 

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