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GopherRock

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« Reply #26698 on: September 20, 2023, 11:44:30 AM »
The throughput on roundabouts is crazy high. 

Fender benders may be up a bit, but I'm skeptical of that based on MnDOT/State Patrol's crash data.  YMMV based on your jurisdiction. However, serious injury wrecks and fatals (which are almost always high-speed T-bones) have disappeared. A merging collision below 20 MPH in which both cars are going roughly the same direction is a much more acceptable outcome.

Interesting.

From my anecdotal experience I thought that crashes were UP because I see plenty of fender-benders.

I assumed that ODOT simply accepted that because the severity of crashes is WAY down because instead of deadly 50 MPH T-Bone crashes you are seeing ~30 MPH merger sideswipes which are highly unlikely to be fatal.
The biggest thing I've noticed that is way up re: roundabouts is bellyaching about roundabouts from truck drivers with trailers who don't know how to drive their load.

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« Reply #26699 on: September 20, 2023, 11:56:59 AM »
The throughput on roundabouts is crazy high.

Fender benders may be up a bit, but I'm skeptical of that based on MnDOT/State Patrol's crash data.  YMMV based on your jurisdiction. However, serious injury wrecks and fatals (which are almost always high-speed T-bones) have disappeared. A merging collision below 20 MPH in which both cars are going roughly the same direction is a much more acceptable outcome.
The biggest thing I've noticed that is way up re: roundabouts is bellyaching about roundabouts from truck drivers with trailers who don't know how to drive their load.
We actually had a fatal at one near me, right after it was installed.

The intersection is a 90° three-way of two State Highways. One of the highways jogs so there are actually two 90° three-way intersections of State Highways about a half a mile apart.

This is an area outside of my town that was pretty rural when I was a kid 40 years ago but has become increasingly suburbanized as the local population has grown.

When I was a kid both intersections were one-way stops with the straight-through highway travellers not required to stop.

Anyway, now one is a four-way intersection with a signal (new development at the new fourth-way.

The other is a three-way roundabout.

Right after it was installed a truck driver flipped and died. I *THINK* he was familiar with the old intersection, didn't realize it had changed, and went barreling through at 50+MPH. When he hit the curves, he flipped.

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« Reply #26700 on: September 20, 2023, 12:05:37 PM »
We've got a standard 4-way stop light right near my house that is HORRIBLY dangerous. 

Somehow all four directions are downhill approaching the intersection. 3 lanes each way one direciton, 2 lanes each way the other. Double left turn lanes at all four directions. 

Seems to be a collision here near daily, and there have been some VERY nasty ones too. 

When going down Alicia from my house, I no longer stay in the right hand lane because people stopping to get into and out of the Arco gas station causes a lot of fender benders; I've actually been rear-ended there before when I had to slow down because people were entering the gas station and the guy behind me didn't notice. 

I don't know what makes this one so prone to major accidents except maybe that everything is downhill, but I get nervous every time I approach this intersection--which is bad because my typical routes have me using it VERY frequently. 


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« Reply #26701 on: September 20, 2023, 12:17:19 PM »
We've got a standard 4-way stop light right near my house that is HORRIBLY dangerous.

Somehow all four directions are downhill approaching the intersection. 3 lanes each way one direciton, 2 lanes each way the other. Double left turn lanes at all four directions.

Seems to be a collision here near daily, and there have been some VERY nasty ones too.

When going down Alicia from my house, I no longer stay in the right hand lane because people stopping to get into and out of the Arco gas station causes a lot of fender benders; I've actually been rear-ended there before when I had to slow down because people were entering the gas station and the guy behind me didn't notice.

I don't know what makes this one so prone to major accidents except maybe that everything is downhill, but I get nervous every time I approach this intersection--which is bad because my typical routes have me using it VERY frequently.



Yeah that intersection definitely looks like it sucks.  I'd probably go far out of my way to avoid it.  

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« Reply #26702 on: September 20, 2023, 12:22:47 PM »
Top 10 Dangerous Intersections in Atlanta You Should Avoid (enjuris.com)

1Memorial Drive & North Road, Stone Mountain22
2East Park Place & Stone Mountain Highway, Stone Mountain20
3Covington Highway & Lithonia Road, Lithonia19
4Cobb Place Boulevard & Earnest Barrett Parkway, Kennesaw18
5Jimmy Carter Boulevard & Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, Norcross17
6State Bridge Road & Medlock Bridge Road, Johns Creek15
7Briarcliff Road & North Druid Hills Road, DeKalb County13
8Butner Road & Camp Creek Parkway, Fulton County13
9Steve Reynolds Boulevard & Venture Drive, Duluth13
10Piedmont Avenue & Monroe Drive, Atlanta12

We drive through the last one frequently, the rest are in the 'burbs aside from 7.

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« Reply #26703 on: September 20, 2023, 12:51:30 PM »

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« Reply #26704 on: September 20, 2023, 01:36:35 PM »
We've got a standard 4-way stop light right near my house that is HORRIBLY dangerous.

Somehow all four directions are downhill approaching the intersection. 3 lanes each way one direciton, 2 lanes each way the other. Double left turn lanes at all four directions.

Seems to be a collision here near daily, and there have been some VERY nasty ones too.

When going down Alicia from my house, I no longer stay in the right hand lane because people stopping to get into and out of the Arco gas station causes a lot of fender benders; I've actually been rear-ended there before when I had to slow down because people were entering the gas station and the guy behind me didn't notice.

I don't know what makes this one so prone to major accidents except maybe that everything is downhill, but I get nervous every time I approach this intersection--which is bad because my typical routes have me using it VERY frequently.


Based on the lane layouts, sheer volume is one of the reasons for this being a problematic intersection.

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« Reply #26705 on: September 20, 2023, 02:08:21 PM »
Yeah that intersection definitely looks like it sucks.  I'd probably go far out of my way to avoid it. 
What's odd is that this is actually a pretty typical intersection around here. I don't know what leads to such a high crash rate. I'm sure when you came out to Irvine often you'd see that 3 lanes in every direction with double protected left turn lanes was not exactly uncommon...

I think the gas station access tends to lead to more fender benders and minor crashes (as I experienced), but I don't think it explains the many serious crashes that happen here. 

Based on the lane layouts, sheer volume is one of the reasons for this being a problematic intersection.
Definitely high volume. But it's SoCal--everywhere is high volume lol. Again, I can think of many other intersections of similar size and high volume in the area that don't have such a high crash rate. 

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« Reply #26706 on: September 20, 2023, 02:13:21 PM »
I think the gas station access tends to lead to more fender benders and minor crashes (as I experienced), but I don't think it explains the many serious crashes that happen here.
Definitely high volume. But it's SoCal--everywhere is high volume lol. Again, I can think of many other intersections of similar size and high volume in the area that don't have such a high crash rate.
You mentioned all of the approaches are downhill? That contributes. It's harder to stop.
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« Reply #26707 on: September 20, 2023, 02:17:49 PM »
You mentioned all of the approaches are downhill? That contributes. It's harder to stop.
Yeah, definitely think that contributes. Especially b/c in addition to being harder to stop downhill, I'd say that a lot of people may be carrying a little more speed coming in hot b/c of the downhill, so there's more stopping power needed. 

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« Reply #26708 on: September 20, 2023, 03:01:34 PM »
Also, the fact that all the approaches are downhill means that depending on where the hill break is, oncoming drivers can't see the signal heads. Which means that many of them are carrying too much speed too late to make an informed decision.

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« Reply #26709 on: September 20, 2023, 03:13:17 PM »
Interesting.

From my anecdotal experience I thought that crashes were UP because I see plenty of fender-benders.

I assumed that ODOT simply accepted that because the severity of crashes is WAY down because instead of deadly 50 MPH T-Bone crashes you are seeing ~30 MPH merger sideswipes which are highly unlikely to be fatal.
I always assumed they were a way to redirect traffic. Like if I had a neighborhood I wanted people to be slower in/avoid, throw those in. 

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« Reply #26710 on: September 20, 2023, 10:48:54 PM »
I'd just be happy with drivers making driving their main focus while driving.
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« Reply #26711 on: September 21, 2023, 06:53:13 AM »
I'd just be happy with drivers making driving their main focus while driving.
No shit.

I saw a woman driving while eating a bowl of cereal last week. It's bad enough driving around here.
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