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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #25508 on: July 22, 2023, 03:02:49 AM »
What you have described is basic capitalism in action. People leave expensive places for cheaper places. Fallout happens.
The blaming of “elites” feels like a bit of a straw man. “Elites” are illusory. A convenient boogie man of sorts.

This seems to blame hedge funds for making unfortunately shrewd investments, because we’ve kind of reached the logical end of “home as asset” theory. Someone with more resources and expertise will leverage that efficiently. 

It’s what you’d call an externality of an efficient market.
Can I combine the end of one post with the beginning of another?
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The fallout is people's well-being.  The cost is another million for someone else.
I have no problem with some people succeeding and others failing.  That's completely normal and fine.
But the numbers are getting absurd.  The number of impoverished people vs the cartoony numbers of the wealthy.  We've all heard the stats on additional billionaires during the pandemic.
As restaurants and stores closed down, the truly wealthy gained a windfall.  
There's a reason you can't be middle class on one income like you could back in the 60s and early 70s.  Wages largely stagnated for decades as profits soared.  So then the masses want a minimum wage jump, and those against it cite that it's too large a jump.  It's a jump because the wealthy didn't do it incrementally over the years.  
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How much wealth is enough?  Not in terms of government overreach suppressing one's freedom for wealth, but if another million suppresses 15 families well-being, is it worth it?  Or 150 families.  Or 1,500.  Yes, the wealthy person is free to earn or create as much money as they'd like, but just because you're free to do something doesn't mean you should.  Our publicly-traded companies system requires quarterly perpetual growth, which is impossible.  
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They're having trouble inventing shit for the ultra-wealthy to buy.  1 Lamborghini is a joke now, you need 15 of them.  A yacht?  Pish-posh, you need a super-yacht with its own sub.  You need a ride into outer-fucking space.  A private jet?  Please!  You need your own 767.  
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There's no such thing as enough  Boo-hoo.  Work harder, losers.  
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #25509 on: July 22, 2023, 05:56:44 AM »
The blaming of “elites” feels like a bit of a straw man. “Elites” are illusory. A convenient boogie man of sorts.

This seems to blame hedge funds for making unfortunately shrewd investments, because we’ve kind of reached the logical end of “home as asset” theory. Someone with more resources and expertise will leverage that efficiently. 

It’s what you’d call an externality of an efficient market.
Yes. I agree with you in the sense that the article actually casts blame and points at something sinister and intentional.  That’s not true IMHO.

The part that I know is true is extremely large corporations and hedge funds making shrewd investments- a byproduct of which is less homes available ( and apartments) for the individual consumer.  On a now massive scale. 

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« Reply #25510 on: July 22, 2023, 06:12:41 AM »
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/live-local-act-makes-it-easier-to-8716912/

Here is an example of a bipartisan, robust effort to creat more affordable housing. Live Local Act. 

It leverages incentives, zoning and rules around new development to attempt to create massive new opportunities for real affordable housing. 

It’s new- so too early to know how successful it will be.   I was at a public meeting with all constituents in attendance.   There was wide agreement that this will cause pretty rapid change, and moderately strong agreement that it will substantially improve the situation.  
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« Reply #25511 on: July 22, 2023, 09:12:55 AM »

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« Reply #25512 on: July 22, 2023, 10:02:04 AM »
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« Reply #25513 on: July 22, 2023, 10:11:53 AM »
I'd gladly pay $1.2 mil for a 'home that has everything' ...

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« Reply #25514 on: July 22, 2023, 10:50:02 AM »
And you get the nice water retention pond with a big black tarp over it view. 

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« Reply #25515 on: July 22, 2023, 11:19:02 AM »
That's bad.
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« Reply #25516 on: July 22, 2023, 01:14:21 PM »
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/live-local-act-makes-it-easier-to-8716912/

Here is an example of a bipartisan, robust effort to creat more affordable housing. Live Local Act.

It leverages incentives, zoning and rules around new development to attempt to create massive new opportunities for real affordable housing.

It’s new- so too early to know how successful it will be.  I was at a public meeting with all constituents in attendance.  There was wide agreement that this will cause pretty rapid change, and moderately strong agreement that it will substantially improve the situation. 
Just got through all of that. I think it has a great chance of working. I like that it takes a lot of NIMBY out the process too.

It's a real problem here. The people who want to work cannot not find places to live in order to do so.

Kudos to the legislature on this.

Next, let's get the Brightline to Fort Myers (from West Palm) and Tampa (from Orlando). Lots of people in the middle of the state would use that to get to work on either coast, I'd think. Especially East coast

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« Reply #25517 on: July 22, 2023, 01:46:01 PM »
Just got through all of that. I think it has a great chance of working. I like that it takes a lot of NIMBY out the process too.

It's a real problem here. The people who want to work cannot not find places to live in order to do so.

Kudos to the legislature on this.

Next, let's get the Brightline to Fort Myers (from West Palm) and Tampa (from Orlando). Lots of people in the middle of the state would use that to get to work on either coast, I'd think. Especially East coast


Thank you for actually reading it. It’s one thing to piss and moan about a problem, but it’s a while other  thing to do some research and see what’s going on out there.
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« Reply #25518 on: July 22, 2023, 02:21:57 PM »
We had a storm with wind and lightning and this happened over in the park:




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« Reply #25519 on: July 22, 2023, 03:34:19 PM »
Thank you for actually reading it. It’s one thing to piss and moan about a problem, but it’s a while other  thing to do some research and see what’s going on out there.
Sounds great.  
But they're doing fuck-all here in AZ.
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« Reply #25520 on: July 23, 2023, 08:06:33 AM »
AZ needs a better governor.
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« Reply #25521 on: July 23, 2023, 09:15:00 AM »
It's a bit ironic that the increase in homelessness appears to be concentrated in AZ.  The influx of residents from CA sending up prices sounds like a reason for it.

I was a bit surprised to see quite a bit of it in Vancouver, BC, which of course is famous for high housing prices.  My daughter has a pretty nice 2 bdr townhouse there in a great part of town and pays $3700 CA which I thought was a deal.  She also gets an allowance from her company that covers it, but that ends next year.

 

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