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« Reply #24710 on: June 21, 2023, 10:44:24 AM »
Biden's DoJ has had a major hard on for firearm violations yet HB walks?  Lying on that form is a felony.  If you did it, you would go to prison.  Same likely goes for intentionally not declaring over a million in income and not paying taxes on it for years.  We live under a two tier justice system.
Unlikely. A lot of feds I've read are noting they have never seen that charge by itself before. Usually it's something they throw in with a batch of other charges in various drug dealing cases.

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« Reply #24711 on: June 21, 2023, 10:50:40 AM »
Federal Prosecutors Aggressively Pursuing Those Who Lie in Connection With Firearm Transactions | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov)


  • EDDIE WAYNE MORRISON, 34 of Duncan, Oklahoma, was sentenced to time-served, or essentially 16 months in federal custody, on December 29, 2022, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm.  According to public record, Morrison purchased a firearm from EZ Pawn in Duncan.  Prior to purchasing a firearm, Morrison had been deemed incompetent by a court.  He was also subject to a protective order in Love County.  A judge had ordered Morrison detained in federal custody since August 12, 2021, until sentencing.  He is currently serving a term of two years of supervised release.


  • HALEY LEEANNE ADKISON, 24, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on August 18, 2022, to making a false statement during a firearms transaction.  According to public record, Adkison was observed completing paperwork regarding the purchase of firearms at an Oklahoma City Fairgrounds gun show, after looking at different firearms with Heriberto Flores.  Adkison was scheduled to take possession of six firearms at the vendor’s store in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  At sentencing, Adkison faces up to ten years in federal prison. 

  • JOSHUA DAVID MOSELEY, 31, of Harrah, Oklahoma, pleaded guilty on September 6, 2022, to making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm.  According to public record, Moseley attempted to purchase a firearm from Super Pawn #2 Inc., in Oklahoma City.  Moseley checked “no” for having been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.  Public records show that, on January 6, 2022, Mosely was convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault and battery in Oklahoma County District Court case CM-2021-1377.  At sentencing, Moseley faces up to 10 years in federal prison. 
  • BRIONJRE MARTAI ODELL HAMILTON, 22, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on October 10, 2022, to making false statements during attempted purchases of firearms.  According to public record, on May 25, 2022, Hamilton was convicted of carrying a firearm under the influence of drugs (marijuana) in Oklahoma County District Court case CM-2021-3533.  Thereafter, records reflect Hamilton lied on the ATF Form 4473 regarding his eligibility to purchase firearms and attempted to purchase firearms on four separate occasions, after the ATF informed Hamilton that he was a prohibited from doing so.  At sentencing, Hamilton faces up to 10 years in federal prison on all four counts.
  • NEMORY ZAHID RAMOS CASTRO, 22, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on January 5, 2023, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm.  According to public record, Ramos made false written statements in connection with the purchases of two assault-style firearms, one in Oklahoma City and one in Luther, Oklahoma.  In one instance, Ramos submitted the ATF Form 4473 stating he was not acquiring the assault-style firearm for another person, but a few hours after the transfer law enforcement found another individual in possession of it during a traffic stop.  At sentencing, Castro faces up to ten years in federal prison on both counts.


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« Reply #24712 on: June 21, 2023, 11:04:56 AM »
So only folks who live in Oklahoma violate this law?
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« Reply #24713 on: June 21, 2023, 11:06:10 AM »
So only folks who live in Oklahoma violate this law?
And Delaware. 
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« Reply #24714 on: June 21, 2023, 11:14:21 AM »
Federal Prosecutors Aggressively Pursuing Those Who Lie in Connection With Firearm Transactions | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov)


  • EDDIE WAYNE MORRISON, 34 of Duncan, Oklahoma, was sentenced to time-served, or essentially 16 months in federal custody, on December 29, 2022, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm.  According to public record, Morrison purchased a firearm from EZ Pawn in Duncan.  Prior to purchasing a firearm, Morrison had been deemed incompetent by a court.  He was also subject to a protective order in Love County.  A judge had ordered Morrison detained in federal custody since August 12, 2021, until sentencing.  He is currently serving a term of two years of supervised release.


  • HALEY LEEANNE ADKISON, 24, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on August 18, 2022, to making a false statement during a firearms transaction.  According to public record, Adkison was observed completing paperwork regarding the purchase of firearms at an Oklahoma City Fairgrounds gun show, after looking at different firearms with Heriberto Flores.  Adkison was scheduled to take possession of six firearms at the vendor’s store in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  At sentencing, Adkison faces up to ten years in federal prison.

  • JOSHUA DAVID MOSELEY, 31, of Harrah, Oklahoma, pleaded guilty on September 6, 2022, to making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm.  According to public record, Moseley attempted to purchase a firearm from Super Pawn #2 Inc., in Oklahoma City.  Moseley checked “no” for having been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.  Public records show that, on January 6, 2022, Mosely was convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault and battery in Oklahoma County District Court case CM-2021-1377.  At sentencing, Moseley faces up to 10 years in federal prison.
  • BRIONJRE MARTAI ODELL HAMILTON, 22, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on October 10, 2022, to making false statements during attempted purchases of firearms.  According to public record, on May 25, 2022, Hamilton was convicted of carrying a firearm under the influence of drugs (marijuana) in Oklahoma County District Court case CM-2021-3533.  Thereafter, records reflect Hamilton lied on the ATF Form 4473 regarding his eligibility to purchase firearms and attempted to purchase firearms on four separate occasions, after the ATF informed Hamilton that he was a prohibited from doing so.  At sentencing, Hamilton faces up to 10 years in federal prison on all four counts.
  • NEMORY ZAHID RAMOS CASTRO, 22, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on January 5, 2023, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm.  According to public record, Ramos made false written statements in connection with the purchases of two assault-style firearms, one in Oklahoma City and one in Luther, Oklahoma.  In one instance, Ramos submitted the ATF Form 4473 stating he was not acquiring the assault-style firearm for another person, but a few hours after the transfer law enforcement found another individual in possession of it during a traffic stop.  At sentencing, Castro faces up to ten years in federal prison on both counts.


I'm not sure any of those are the same charge

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« Reply #24715 on: June 21, 2023, 11:17:21 AM »
They are similar charges, not exactly the same, but basically lying on the application form.

I'd guess a prosecutor in Oklahoma wanted to make a point and had this press release.


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« Reply #24716 on: June 21, 2023, 11:17:42 AM »
Would be interesting to know what they served and background factors. 

The only person listed there whose time we know seemed to have some other issues. 

On the other hand, it’s really a shame that out of context press releases are a part of this at all. Presumably this is all out there somewhere, but you have to be a bit more expert than I (and maybe pay for a service?) to get all that.

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« Reply #24717 on: June 21, 2023, 11:19:25 AM »
They are similar charges, not exactly the same, but basically lying on the application form.

I'd guess a prosecutor in Oklahoma wanted to make a point and had this press release.


The biggest issue is the lie. It's a heck of a lot easier to prove someone has a prior record than it is that someone is a drug addict.

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« Reply #24718 on: June 21, 2023, 11:23:55 AM »
Sure, the criminal act is lying on the form, of whatever nature.  If you say you don't use drugs and you do, that is a lie, whether easy to prove or not is irrelevant to anything but a judicial outcome.  He clearly admitted to lying, and there were photos of his drug usage.  

I couldn't find how these folks were sentenced.

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« Reply #24719 on: June 21, 2023, 11:30:11 AM »
Sure, the criminal act is lying on the form, of whatever nature.  If you say you don't use drugs and you do, that is a lie, whether easy to prove or not is irrelevant to anything but a judicial outcome.  He clearly admitted to lying, and there were photos of his drug usage. 

I couldn't find how these folks were sentenced.
You aren't grasping the issue. The government has to prove there is a lie. Simple, objective facts like a person has been convicted of a prior felony are easy to prove, and therefore tough to beat. More vague, subjective facts like whether or not someone is a drug addict are tougher to prove and easier for defendants to fight in court. That isn't to say there is no evidence, but it's a tougher case for prosecutors, which is why they are more likely to let it go. Plea bargains are generally entered into as a compromise between the defendant and prosecutors in large part due to the strength of a case. 

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« Reply #24720 on: June 21, 2023, 11:36:03 AM »
It's pretty easy to prove when the culprit admits to it.  All these cases are lying on a Federal form, every one of them.  That is the crime, and it's not in dispute, it was admitted as a fact.  

The specific details of the lie and what it's about is irrelevant at that point except perhaps to sentencing.


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« Reply #24721 on: June 21, 2023, 11:46:20 AM »
You aren't grasping the issue. The government has to prove there is a lie. Simple, objective facts like a person has been convicted of a prior felony are easy to prove, and therefore tough to beat. More vague, subjective facts like whether or not someone is a drug addict are tougher to prove and easier for defendants to fight in court. That isn't to say there is no evidence, but it's a tougher case for prosecutors, which is why they are more likely to let it go. Plea bargains are generally entered into as a compromise between the defendant and prosecutors in large part due to the strength of a case.
I agree, and some of this largely depends on who you are and who you know. 
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« Reply #24722 on: June 21, 2023, 11:46:27 AM »
Unlikely. A lot of feds I've read are noting they have never seen that charge by itself before. Usually it's something they throw in with a batch of other charges in various drug dealing cases.
At least I was able to find a number of charges that stand alone, lying on the Federal form.

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« Reply #24723 on: June 21, 2023, 12:25:36 PM »
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