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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23464 on: May 11, 2023, 07:57:20 AM »
I never saw much purpose or benefit in arguing against someone's religious views.  I know some folks want everyone to "believe" just as they do, it has started wars in the past, Internet wars more recently, usually devolving into name calling and phrases like "Your dumb"...

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« Reply #23465 on: May 11, 2023, 07:59:31 AM »
As for the laptop, I know there was some apparently salacious stuff on it, but I don't recall anything that implicated The Big Guy.  Hunter obviously has had "issues", and still has some apparently.  Would knowledge that the laptop was genuine have shifted many votes?  Maybe, not mine of course, but maybe.

It clearly was a concern to the Biden Campaign.

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« Reply #23466 on: May 11, 2023, 08:59:13 AM »
As for the laptop, I know there was some apparently salacious stuff on it, but I don't recall anything that implicated The Big Guy.  Hunter obviously has had "issues", and still has some apparently.  Would knowledge that the laptop was genuine have shifted many votes?  Maybe, not mine of course, but maybe.

It clearly was a concern to the Biden Campaign.

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2028, maybe. Maybe.
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« Reply #23467 on: May 11, 2023, 09:36:43 AM »
The only thing that you should think when the usual suspects start going on about Hunter Biden is "What did the GOP screw up now?"

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« Reply #23468 on: May 11, 2023, 09:39:46 AM »
I think both parties gin up stuff from nearly nothing to mask whatever they are doing that could be more nefarious.  I see that Santos fellow was arrested, I have zero sympathy for him, but he's really a minor Congressman unlikely to be reelected (one can hope).

I'd love a "news program" that checked out the "major stories" of a year ago each day.  Nearly all of them would appear minor disturbances in hindsight with almost no impact on anything.

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« Reply #23469 on: May 11, 2023, 09:52:26 AM »
The only thing that you should think when the usual suspects start going on about Hunter Biden is "What did the GOP screw up now?"

Nah.

Let's investigate a candidate, a nominee, a president, a private citizen and a candidate for 7+ years and find nothing. Oh, and all 5 of those are the same guy.

 Sounds fun.

And let's start to do it with a bogus dossier paid for by the opposition.

Yeah, let's do that.
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« Reply #23470 on: May 11, 2023, 09:58:05 AM »
Let's investigate a candidate, a nominee, a president, a private citizen and a candidate for 7+ years and find nothing. Oh, and all 5 of those are the same guy.
You could be talking about Joe Biden and his family also.  They did apparently find "stuff" about his family at least, none of it obviously illegal, there could be tax evasion and laundering in there somewhere.

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« Reply #23471 on: May 11, 2023, 10:18:46 AM »
The only thing that you should think when the usual suspects start going on about Hunter Biden is "What did the GOP screw up now?"

Towing the hypocritical party line I see. 
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« Reply #23472 on: May 11, 2023, 11:06:28 AM »
Both parties attempt to manage the news so as to deflect anything bad that may reflect on them.  It's not sometehing novel.  Both sides try and "investigate" the other for various and sundy, constantly, and in my view do an exceptionally poor job of it.  I used to watch the occasional "hearing" in Congress where they'd have someone testifying, under oath, and the OBVIOUS question would never be asked, ever.  They were too busy grandstanding and making speeches to let the testifier testify.

It's a show, meant for the media, nothing else matters.  Well, $$$ matters.

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« Reply #23473 on: May 11, 2023, 11:10:14 AM »
You know, when I first lost my faith around the age of 13-14, I found myself (this was the early BBS days) arguing with people about religion "online". Like many people who have believed in things only to abandon them later, I had my phase of being an anti-religion zealot... Or better term... Asshole.

Then, I matured, and figured out that it's sometimes best to argue against people trying to impose their beliefs on others, WITHOUT trying to jam a sharp stick in their eye to ridicule their beliefs.

Perhaps one day you may find such maturity as well.
This is something that baffles me about they typical (like @OrangeAfroMan ) anti-religious leftist.

Historically religion has been used to justify bad things, I don't think anyone would deny that. It has also, however, been used to justify and been the basis of many good things.

They seem to fail to grasp that the religion part is more-or-less irrelevant. People mostly will do what they want to do and use their religion to justify it.

Nietzsche, he of the famous "God is dead" quote, predicted in the 1800's that the 20th century would see terrible wars. The communists were explicitly atheist, enforced atheism, and killed millions. The Nazis were somewhat less openly hostile to religion* but their leaders were nearly all atheists and they killed millions as well. Let's not pretend that the post-religion world will be utopian.

After Katrina I read an article on a leftist site (slate) that basically made the "stick in eye" argument that many of the victims had died "talking to their imaginary friend".

I was, as I said, baffled. Even if we agree, for the sake of discussion, that religion is completely made up why would you take pot shots at victims of a tragedy? How does it hurt you if Christians (or adherents of any other religion) "died talking to their imaginary friend"? Beyond that, if they were caught in a tragic and hopeless situation where they were certain to die why would you be angry that they found comfort in that horrible situation?

*Part of the reason that Hitler was able to take power in Germany was that the Catholics generally preferred Nazis to Communists on the justifiable basis that they had seen the mass executions of priests in the Soviet Union. In the early 1930's it became more-or-less apparent that either the Communists or the Nazis would eventually take power in Germany. At that point even strongly anti-Nazi Catholics were faced with what was tantamount to a choice of the method of their execution.

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« Reply #23474 on: May 11, 2023, 11:13:48 AM »
The only thing that you should think when the usual suspects start going on about Hunter Biden is "What did the GOP screw up now?"

As someone that doesn't identify with either tribe, all I can say is, I see no difference between them, when it comes to stuff like this.

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« Reply #23475 on: May 11, 2023, 11:19:12 AM »
Even if we agree, for the sake of discussion, that religion is completely made up why would you take pot shots at victims of a tragedy? How does it hurt you if Christians (or adherents of any other religion) "died talking to their imaginary friend"? Beyond that, if they were caught in a tragic and hopeless situation where they were certain to die why would you be angry that they found comfort in that horrible situation?
I think it's more of a vain effort to feel superior to another, I've seen it often, I bet we all have.  "YOUR views are inferior to mine because I'm obviously smarter (and feel a weird need to make it apparent and rub your nose in it)."

I've known very smart folks who were strongly religious (and not).  Maybe there is some rough correlation between intelligence, however measured, and doubts about the supernatural, that could be.  I think intelligent folks tend to question things more readily, though I suppose that could be debated.:)



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« Reply #23476 on: May 11, 2023, 11:26:01 AM »
I think it's more of a vain effort to feel superior to another, I've seen it often, I bet we all have.  "YOUR views are inferior to mine because I'm obviously smarter (and feel a weird need to make it apparent and rub your nose in it)."
I think you are right but I view this as, to paraphrase @betarhoalphadelta , immature assholery. It is understandable from teenaged Beta because we were all teenagers once, we understand.  What excuse do @OrangeAfroMan or the author of the aforementioned Slate piece have?

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« Reply #23477 on: May 11, 2023, 11:35:03 AM »
Well, it is IA, as you put it.  Any time someone tries to impress another with how smart they are, it's usually IA AND a vain attempt based on insecurity.  Most of us might have done this in fifth grade, maybe, most of us learned it's irrelevant.  I've seen the same kind of thing with "name dropping", my wife has a friend who is notorious for this, he can't speak for 5 minutes without some story about how he's friends with X.

I used to tell my kids "The hardest thing in life to be is yourself", which they found bizarre back then, and now tell me that fairly often.  Know thyself.  Live with it.


 

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