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« Reply #22568 on: April 16, 2023, 02:18:39 PM »
so, no rules or laws against billionaires bribing judges with $$$? 
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« Reply #22569 on: April 16, 2023, 02:22:34 PM »
Bribery is usually illegal, but it has some specific requirements.  The giving of gifts in not illegal, if that is all there is to it.  It's the quid pro quo that is tough to prove, and illegal.  I figure in any political kind of case before SCOTUS, the votes are pretty much a foregone conclusion for most of them.  They don't need bribing.

Now, if you could point to an unexpected ruling by Thomas that clearly benefitted said billionaire ...you could have a basis for impeachment, and then trial.

We don't impeach Congressmen, it was done once, sort of, long ago.
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« Reply #22570 on: April 16, 2023, 02:27:09 PM »
seems odd to me that impeaching presidents has become a thing, but not congressmen/women
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« Reply #22571 on: April 16, 2023, 02:35:37 PM »
Congress has other means which are a lot more viable to use for discipline.

I view impeachment of a President as a political move, not really something useful, unless said President erred so obviously his own party leaves him.  Then he'd resign.
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« Reply #22572 on: April 16, 2023, 02:39:40 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on April 16, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
so, no rules or laws against billionaires bribing judges with $$$?
There are! But the standard of proof is extremely high.

in this case, the main rules broken appear to be focused on actually disclosing gifts you receive.
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« Reply #22573 on: April 16, 2023, 02:40:59 PM »


You can see here that a turbofan design is really a ducted fan engine, most of the air goes around the part that burns fuel but is accelerated by the turbine.
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« Reply #22574 on: April 16, 2023, 02:46:19 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 16, 2023, 01:36:25 PM
It's amazing that I say what lobbyists do isn't ethical and you continously have a retort.

What's legal and illegal doesn't matter, when so much money is flying around.  I love the end of your last post, but overall, you don't seem to understand the totality of the lobbying infestation killing our governance. 

When the financial success of the lone corporation is placed above the good of the people, this is wrong.  If an idea itself is not persuasive and requires supplemental financial accompaniment, it is not a good-enough idea.

Why anyone would resist improving this situation is beyond me.  Idk, maybe your portfolio would suffer.  Poor you.
The issue might be that this is an extremely broad and general complaint that uses force and feeling to cover a lack of specificity.

”Lobbying” is not limited to big corporations, nor is it even a precise act. It’s a wide range of behaviors and advocacy.
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« Reply #22575 on: April 16, 2023, 02:55:10 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 16, 2023, 02:39:40 PM
There are! But the standard of proof is extremely high.

in this case, the main rules broken appear to be focused on actually disclosing gifts you receive.
and there just might be a good reason gifts were not disclosed
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« Reply #22576 on: April 16, 2023, 05:14:09 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 16, 2023, 02:46:19 PM
The issue might be that this is an extremely broad and general complaint that uses force and feeling to cover a lack of specificity.

”Lobbying” is not limited to big corporations, nor is it even a precise act. It’s a wide range of behaviors and advocacy.
Maybe the center-right crowd should be called the Apathy Party.  
Heinous lobbying rewarding the few and harming the many?  Shrug.
More kids got shot and killed by semi-automatic weapons?  Shrug.
Humans exacerbate climate change?  Shrug
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The complicated, nuanced "fix" is simply the will to change things.  The thorough, wide-ranging legistation to forbid the shady outcomes caused by lobbying cannot be changed by apathetic people suggesting it's too complicated.  That's horse shit.
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« Reply #22577 on: April 16, 2023, 06:55:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 16, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Maybe the center-right crowd should be called the Apathy Party. 
Heinous lobbying rewarding the few and harming the many?  Shrug.
More kids got shot and killed by semi-automatic weapons?  Shrug.
Humans exacerbate climate change?  Shrug
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The complicated, nuanced "fix" is simply the will to change things.  The thorough, wide-ranging legistation to forbid the shady outcomes caused by lobbying cannot be changed by apathetic people suggesting it's too complicated.  That's horse shit.
You're deflecting. I'm not talking about guns or climate change.

You keep talking about lobbying, lobbying, lobbying. And at no point have you pointed to one type of lobbying. What acts do we need to make illegal? What are these things that are rewarding the few and harming the many? They're so heinous, so we should have some easy examples to bring up and discuss. 
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« Reply #22578 on: April 16, 2023, 09:15:33 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 16, 2023, 10:42:30 AM
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« Reply #22579 on: April 16, 2023, 11:13:43 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 16, 2023, 06:55:29 PM
You're deflecting. I'm not talking about guns or climate change.

You keep talking about lobbying, lobbying, lobbying. And at no point have you pointed to one type of lobbying. What acts do we need to make illegal? What are these things that are rewarding the few and harming the many? They're so heinous, so we should have some easy examples to bring up and discuss.
Just google the largest industries in terms of lobbying dollars.

The National Realtors Association is near the top.  Why do they need to spend so much money on lobbyists?  Hmmph.  Idk.  Let's think....

They’d like to deregulate their sector of the financial industry, they’d like to have lax laws about real estate practices. They’d like their members to make as much money as possible. That’s their mission and goal in life. They’re not there for your benefit.



They’d like you to buy too many houses and be open to being preyed upon. They’d like real estate agents NOT to have a fiduciary duty to you. They’d like you to have no recourse when you’re treated badly in a real estate transaction. They’d like you to walk into Open Houses and buy a house on impulse. Their members just love uninformed and unrepresented buyers. Their mission in life is to help their many members make more money.


They’re a trade association that lobbies and acts in the interest of their members, at least theoretically. That’s what they do. They are not there for your benefit, only for theirs and their members.



What's another one?  I'll give you a hint:  teenagers dropping dead all across the country.  BINGO!  Big Pharma!  Why would they need to spend so much money lobbying for influence in DC?!?  Golly gee willakers........don't know.
Most of the pharmaceutical and health product industry’s 2022 lobbying efforts took aim at the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which was introduced as an amendment to the Build Back Better Act and signed into law by President Joe Biden in August 2022. The bill — among other environmental and economic objectives— allows for Medicare to negotiate the prices of certain prescription drugs, caps out-of-pocket spending for Medicare beneficiaries and takes aim at insulin costs. These provisions are to go into effect gradually over the next three years.

Each year for the past decade, the pharmaceutical and health product industry has one-upped its federal lobbying expenditures from the previous year, an overall increase of 36% since 2013. Industry lobbyists tackle  government attempts to lower drug prices, among other legislative and regulatory efforts, maintaining the industry’s dominance as the top lobbying spender for over 20 years.
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Negotiiatinig drug prices?  Cheaper medicine for the masses?  FROM OUR RICH GREEN HANDS!!!!  NEVERRRR!!!!!
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If you're going to play dumb about the specifics of the EVILS of lobbying, maybe just watch the news more often or something? 

It's blatant.  It's egregious.  And it's despicable. 

From the little thngs like the actual fucking egg lobby wanting to keep "breakfast food" a thing to the heinous, incorrigible massive pharma industry fighting tooth-and-nail to prevent sick people from being able to afford their medicines.......but let's just all shrug and whine about how hard and complicated it would be to change things.



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« Reply #22580 on: April 16, 2023, 11:23:04 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 16, 2023, 02:35:37 PM
Congress has other means which are a lot more viable to use for discipline.

I view impeachment of a President as a political move, not really something useful, unless said President erred so obviously his own party leaves him.  Then he'd resign.
I think it's become clear that both parties are so entrenched that that would never happen anymore
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« Reply #22581 on: April 17, 2023, 05:36:16 AM »
I suspect we all here dislike much of what lobbying does to influence legislation, I know I do.  The realists among understand it's a "fact of life" and ain't gonna change, so we deal with it.  The Electoral College is much the same, though in this case there is a "compact between the states" effort that could change that in a decade or so, maybe.

If I had any effort to give and any influence to exert, I'd focus on something I might be able to change.
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