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bayareabadger

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« Reply #21462 on: February 15, 2023, 01:35:49 PM »
Including mine.
The exact one I was thinking of! 

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« Reply #21463 on: February 15, 2023, 01:36:39 PM »
Because the government doesn’t want you carrying your gun non-visibly unless they let you do so.

Interestingly, other states basically outlaw open carry in the vast majority of cases.
more then 30 states allow open carry
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« Reply #21464 on: February 15, 2023, 01:41:35 PM »
checked that he met the profile of mental health issues for a start
any other violence issues in the past

most felons are barred from firearm possession
Was there a history of mental issues or violence? 

Again, if we want to give the government much broader discretion with denying folks this particular constitutional right, that’s a chat to have. But in our modern society, with how much people say weird stuff, the externalities would likely brush against the wishes of many firearm owners. (And be a struggle to apply evenly) 

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« Reply #21465 on: February 15, 2023, 01:44:19 PM »
more then 30 states allow open carry
Yup. Nearly 40. Nine require permits, mostly Northeastern ones, plus Minnesota, Indiana and SC. 

Only four and DC prohibit it, interestingly Florida and three very blue ones.

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« Reply #21466 on: February 15, 2023, 01:47:37 PM »
banning this guy from Firearms would probably not have any bearing on what happened

these guys find a way with or without permission and with or without firearms

but, even staunch 2nd amendment defenders don't want mentally ill people with past records of violence running around with guns
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« Reply #21467 on: February 15, 2023, 01:48:32 PM »
Yup. Nearly 40. Nine require permits, mostly Northeastern ones, plus Minnesota, Indiana and SC.

Only four and DC prohibit it, interestingly Florida and three very blue ones.
have you spent any time in Florida? those folks are looney ;)
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« Reply #21468 on: February 15, 2023, 01:52:50 PM »
have you spent any time in Florida? those folks are looney ;)
Yep, and almost none of us are actually from here. Heh.
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« Reply #21469 on: February 15, 2023, 01:57:35 PM »
Yep, and almost none of us are actually from here. Heh.
Golderned carpetbaggers.

bayareabadger

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« Reply #21470 on: February 15, 2023, 02:05:10 PM »
have you spent any time in Florida? those folks are looney ;)
It’s an interesting case. 

On the one hand, constitutional rights and such. On the other, publicly having a firearm all but makes it open season in you in the eyes of law enforcement. Weird spot to be in. 

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« Reply #21471 on: February 15, 2023, 03:37:33 PM »
Home Prices Are Still Rising but Not Where You'd Expect (msn.com)
Home Prices Are Still Rising but Not Where You'd Expect (msn.com)
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bayareabadger

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« Reply #21472 on: February 15, 2023, 03:46:25 PM »
Home Prices Are Still Rising but Not Where You'd Expect (msn.com)
Home Prices Are Still Rising but Not Where You'd Expect (msn.com)
Huh? 

On the one hand, that summation was exactly what I’d expect. On the other, when I clicked the link, the locations were at least interesting. 

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« Reply #21473 on: February 15, 2023, 03:54:00 PM »
it was a general statement- not specific to this situation and not applicable to this situation as this clown wasn't convicted of at least that felony.  

what i'm saying is when we open the door to picking what and how we want to enforce something we open the door to all kinds of issues that makes things far more complicated than it should be.  

he was charged with a felony.  he bid the court to lessen the charge successfully.  he later does something that having that full charge on his record may have made more difficult to do... ---- why do we trump up charges? why do we negotiate a lessor charge?  why is there opportunity to change these things?  

we support some items within the bill of rights and attack others.. why?  either we're free and protected from bad state actors, or we're subjects of rulers... and worse, mob.. 

why are felons in some locations allowed to vote?  if that is on the table, what else is up for debate?  

our contract with society is pretty clear and neat- it's complicated by those who live between the letter of the law and the spirit- who we call lawyers... they beg the question when it supports their agenda, and then they stand tall and proclaim the letter of the law when it benefits their cause- all the while, laws and the languages of have exhausted their structure to the best of the drafters ability.... just for some group of robe wearers to come along years after the law was enacted to question what 'those effers really meant".... 

" oh what a tangled web we weave......"

and THAT is the crux of it... nothing is irrevocable- nothing is beyond reproach- which describes the paradox... if nothing is irrevocable or disallowed to be brought under scrutiny, are we truly free or are we bound by things that made sense centuries ago but are no longer applicable?  

bottom line?  if you want your freedom you're gonna have to put up with a bunch of bull shit that threatens your security- if you want security you're going to lose a good part of your freedom. 

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« Reply #21474 on: February 15, 2023, 03:59:01 PM »
checked that he met the profile of mental health issues for a start
any other violence issues in the past

most felons are barred from firearm possession
mine doesn't outlaw the practice... every time i see someone carrying in the open i wonder "what did you do to make it where you can't carry concealed?  if you do have a concealed permit why do you carry in the open?"

some cities and counties will slap a charge "going armed with intent to cause fear of the public" and which doesn't make open carry illegal, but makes it up to the officer observing if you were doing something and using that weapon as a means of intimidation... which, by my reckoning- it precisely what's going on every time i see some twit with a cannon strapped to their side. 

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« Reply #21475 on: February 15, 2023, 04:03:50 PM »
There was a book I read a few years back that profiled a lot of the mass shooters. The biggest common denominator, on top of other mental issues, were diagnoses or at least major symptoms consistent with paranoid schizophrenia.

Which isn't to say that you're wrong, but that to go from what you said to "shooting up a big group of people" usually requires an additional fuel on the fire.
i can't disagree with anything offered here, and can't see any points of contention with my own... the basis is 'these people' who do these things are 'easier' to profile... especially (wait for it) "after" the fact.  

"before" the fact, they're all over the place when attempting to profile... school kids not so much, but the lone gunman could literally be anyone and until those dots are connected it's hard to predict... after the fact, hindsight- easy.  

 

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