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bayareabadger

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« Reply #21448 on: February 15, 2023, 10:50:10 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
Anyone convicted of a gun crime should not be able to legally purchase a gun. My general opinion of course, as a lawful gun owner.
He was convicted of a paperwork crime. He took a gun he owned legally in a car he owned legally. But he lives in a place where having a gun you own legally in a place people can’t see is a crime without the proper government paperwork.

It’s a crime that would carry no jail time for him, just paperwork. And it was pled down to a crime that carried no jail time, just paperwork and a requirement to be in good behavior, both of which he completed.

Like, I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other. But if that’s cause to strip your second amendment rights, that’s a weak second amendment and strong gun control laws.
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« Reply #21449 on: February 15, 2023, 10:53:52 AM »
Quote from: Drew4UTk on February 15, 2023, 10:31:03 AM
convicted felons abandon their rights as free citizens, no?  disallowing a convicted felon from possession of a firearm is already a thing.  yet, allowing convicted felons to vote is also, now, a thing- telling me some pols want some rights restored (the rights that help them) and some retained (the ones where the convicted felon can act outside of the …
I’m a little confused by this. Are you saying this applies in this situation, or just a general thought?
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« Reply #21450 on: February 15, 2023, 11:24:19 AM »
It's an extremely complicated simple subject.
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« Reply #21451 on: February 15, 2023, 11:43:58 AM »
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« Reply #21452 on: February 15, 2023, 11:56:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2023, 11:24:19 AM
It's an extremely complicated simple subject.
There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong.
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« Reply #21453 on: February 15, 2023, 12:00:18 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2023, 11:24:19 AM
It's an extremely complicated simple subject.
What I meant was, is he arguing that this person should be stripped of said rights as a convicted felon?

Because him not being a convicted felon would complicate that. 
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« Reply #21454 on: February 15, 2023, 12:37:52 PM »
Again, it's complicated. The man committed a gun crime he and was charged with a felony. That charge was reduced in a plea deal. 
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« Reply #21455 on: February 15, 2023, 12:52:25 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2023, 12:37:52 PM
Again, it's complicated. The man committed a gun crime he and was charged with a felony. That charge was reduced in a plea deal.
Yes. But in this country, things (ideally) are decided by what you are actually convicted of.

And the “gun crime” is not having a government permission slip. Didn’t shoot anyone. Didn’t threaten anyone. Just had his property on his person in a manner the government deems problematic.

I mean. If we want to drastically expand the set of situations where the government can limit firearm possession, I suppose that’s a chat we could have. I just didn’t expect it to align like this.
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« Reply #21456 on: February 15, 2023, 01:02:01 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on February 15, 2023, 12:52:25 PM
Yes. But in this country, things (ideally) are decided by what you are actually convicted of.

And the “gun crime” is not having a government permission slip. Didn’t shoot anyone. Didn’t threaten anyone. Just had his property on his person in a manner the government deems problematic.

I mean. If we want to drastically expand the set of situations where the government can limit firearm possession, I suppose that’s a chat we could have. I just didn’t expect it to align like this.
Why?
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« Reply #21457 on: February 15, 2023, 01:13:09 PM »
seems it was problematic the other night

Perhaps the prosecutor & judge should have done some homework and realized this guy could be dangerous and not have taken the plea?
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« Reply #21458 on: February 15, 2023, 01:25:45 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2023, 01:02:01 PM
Why?
Because the government doesn’t want you carrying your gun non-visibly unless they let you do so. 

Interestingly, other states basically outlaw open carry in the vast majority of cases. 
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« Reply #21459 on: February 15, 2023, 01:27:42 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 15, 2023, 01:13:09 PM
seems it was problematic the other night

Perhaps the prosecutor & judge should have done some homework and realized this guy could be dangerous and not have taken the plea?
Even if they didn’t, he wouldn’t have served any jail time. And it’s not super likely he’d be barred from firearm possession. 

Again, that law has a range of outcomes. And most of the bad ones only apply to repeat offenders. 

What homework would they have done?
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« Reply #21460 on: February 15, 2023, 01:31:33 PM »
checked that he met the profile of mental health issues for a start
any other violence issues in the past

most felons are barred from firearm possession
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« Reply #21461 on: February 15, 2023, 01:34:47 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on February 15, 2023, 01:25:45 PM
Because the government doesn’t want you carrying your gun non-visibly unless they let you do so.

Interestingly, other states basically outlaw open carry in the vast majority of cases.
Including mine.
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