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« Reply #17122 on: June 04, 2022, 04:45:46 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 04, 2022, 02:49:04 PM
Im talking crude oil

total production is 11,000,000 BL day

Total use is 18,000,000 BL day

These are facts which can be found at many sites

Where do we get crude oil to export

and ys most of the crude oil produced in the US is used in the US so Im not sure where you find otherwise
Please direct me to the site that 18 million barrels of crude oil are used by the United States every day. that other site says someone clearly that it is 19 million barrels of petroleum. That site also says in several spots that there is no good way to track the amount of crude oil we use.

there is actually some data on crude oil imports and exports, but it doesn’t have anything to do with that 18 million number.
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« Reply #17123 on: June 04, 2022, 05:23:39 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 04, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
Please direct me to the site that 18 million barrels of crude oil are used by the United States every day. that other site says someone clearly that it is 19 million barrels of petroleum. That site also says in several spots that there is no good way to track the amount of crude oil we use.

there is actually some data on crude oil imports and exports, but it doesn’t have anything to do with that 18 million number.
the use of the word petroleum does not include natural gas its all crude oil

they talk about barrels of petroleum and nobody ever heard of a barrel of natural gas

so I'll ask my question again

Produce 11

Use 19

where does the extra crude oil come from which we are supposed  to be exporting

we use all most all crude oil produced and import the difference

I dont see any way we could be exporting 8 mil barrels of crude oil daily

where does it come from
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« Reply #17124 on: June 04, 2022, 06:07:15 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 04, 2022, 05:23:39 PM
the use of the word petroleum does not include natural gas its all crude oil

they talk about barrels of petroleum and nobody ever heard of a barrel of natural gas

so I'll ask my question again

Produce 11

Use 19

where does the extra crude oil come from which we are supposed  to be exporting

we use all most all crude oil produced and import the difference

I dont see any way we could be exporting 8 mil barrels of crude oil daily

where does it come from
Longhorn. Friend. The reason you don't see that is because it is something that seems to have been completely made up. By you. At no point have I said (or anyone one here said) that we are exporting that many barrels of crude, or that we are even exporting barrels of crude. You are asking a question that does not make any sense. 

Here's the source of the 19 million stat. Note, it says "Only a small amount of crude oil is directly consumed in the United States." and "In 2021, the United States consumed an average of about 19.78 million barrels of petroleum per day." https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6


Here is another breakdown: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=268&t=6

Here is a breakdown of our crude oil imports and exports: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=32&t=6

Here is a nice explainer about how we don't really know how much domestic oil is consumed in country: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=268&t=6

Most of this does not have to do with energy independence. If the aim is to equate production of unrefined oil with total usage of refined products, then we have a very long way to go, but we'd also be chasing a policy that would be about making numbers of two different things the same, which simply does not make much sense. That 11 million and 19 million are barrels of different things. 
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« Reply #17125 on: June 04, 2022, 06:21:25 PM »
But anyway, through April, we were on a run of seven months of being net exporters of petroleum (the May data isn't out yet). It'll be interesting to see if that trend holds or breaks back. 

Your exact words

Petroleum means crude oil

and we were not net exporters of petroleum

Ive shown you the source for production and use of crude oil in the US and I guess you just dont believe it friend
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« Reply #17126 on: June 04, 2022, 06:32:17 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 04, 2022, 06:07:15 PM
Longhorn. Friend. The reason you don't see that is because it is something that seems to have been completely made up. By you. At no point have I said (or anyone one here said) that we are exporting that many barrels of crude, or that we are even exporting barrels of crude. You are asking a question that does not make any sense.

Here's the source of the 19 million stat. Note, it says "Only a small amount of crude oil is directly consumed in the United States." 


Thsi cant possibly be true

If we import 8 mil BL of crude and produce 11 mil BL of crude and our total usage is 19 mil BL of crude how can you say very little of the crude produced in the US is consumed in the US

That cant be true
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« Reply #17127 on: June 04, 2022, 09:01:20 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2022, 12:43:25 PM
Man, I would be super pissed if I were a bumblebee.

California court rules a bumblebee is a fish under environmental law | Fox News
makes sense. those freaks in Shithole California don't even know what a boy or girl is anymore.
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« Reply #17128 on: June 04, 2022, 09:02:14 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 04, 2022, 09:39:13 AM
we should be exporting enuff to shut off russian oil completely
this is just a literal impossibility and has no basis in reality. 
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« Reply #17129 on: June 04, 2022, 09:11:45 PM »
I'm just saying, the world should be able to live w/o Russian crude

should be able to ramp up production in North America and the middle east to hurt Russia
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« Reply #17130 on: June 04, 2022, 09:15:29 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 04, 2022, 09:11:45 PM
I'm just saying, the world should be able to live w/o Russian crude

should be able to ramp up production in North America and the middle east to hurt Russia
Russia isn't being hurt. WE ARE. The US/EU and it's citizenry are. The Russian ruble is higher right now than it was before the start of the war. The Russian ruble has been the best-performing currency in the world to date this year.

And what you're saying is just an impossibility. Russia is the 2nd largest exporter of oil in the world and the 3rd largest producer. The US/Middle East can't just replace them by ramping up production. It's a literal impossibility. And Saudis aren't playing ball and would never- they HATE Biden and want to see him run out of office.
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« Reply #17131 on: June 04, 2022, 10:20:59 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 04, 2022, 06:21:25 PM
But anyway, through April, we were on a run of seven months of being net exporters of petroleum (the May data isn't out yet). It'll be interesting to see if that trend holds or breaks back.

Your exact words

Petroleum means crude oil

and we were not net exporters of petroleum

Ive shown you the source for production and use of crude oil in the US and I guess you just dont believe it friend
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 04, 2022, 06:32:17 PM
Thsi cant possibly be true

If we import 8 mil BL of crude and produce 11 mil BL of crude and our total usage is 19 mil BL of crude how can you say very little of the crude produced in the US is consumed in the US

That cant be true
I beg of you, read the links, with the background information about the statistics you keep citing.

Petroleum does not mean crude oil. Crude oil is unprocessed. Petroleum is processed and is a broader category. If you don't believe that quote, then you don't believe the people who make those statistics you keep citing. So it makes no sense to cite the statistics. 
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« Reply #17132 on: June 04, 2022, 10:23:37 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2022, 12:43:25 PM
Man, I would be super pissed if I were a bumblebee.

California court rules a bumblebee is a fish under environmental law | Fox News
This is one of those funny pieces of divisive clickbait. It's for the most part pointless, but it's an excellent example of the media deepening divisions for financial gain. 

Another small bit of credence to my belief that it's not so much "the media dividing us" but instead a desire to divide ourselves that the media just plays a hand in deepening for profit. 
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« Reply #17133 on: June 04, 2022, 10:46:27 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 04, 2022, 10:20:59 PM
I beg of you, read the links, with the background information about the statistics you keep citing.

Petroleum does not mean crude oil. Crude oil is unprocessed. Petroleum is processed and is a broader category. If you don't believe that quote, then you don't believe the people who make those statistics you keep citing. So it makes no sense to cite the statistics.
Fine Im only talking about crude oil

US produces 11 mil BL a day

US consumes 19 mil BL of crude oil a day

what is wrong with these statements

where are they wrong

yes I know crude oil is refined into various products such as gasoline so what

Im talking about crude oil which is refined petroleum

and by the way you have it backwards crude oil is from processing petroleum into crude oil and removing natural gases

petroleum is what comes out of the ground and crude oil is processed from petroleum

Im talking only about crude oil

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-crude-oil-and-vs-petroleum/#:~:text=Crude%20oil%20is%20refined%2C%20and,between%20Crude%20Oil%20and%20Petroleum%3F&text=The%20mixture%20of%20crude%20oil%20and%20natural%20gases%20is%20known%20as%20petroleum.&text=Natural%20gases%20are%20dissolved%20in%20crude%20oil%2C%20to%20make%20petroleum.



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« Reply #17134 on: June 04, 2022, 11:22:41 PM »
Only about 35% of petroleum exports was crude oil or about 3 mil BL day

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20United%20States%20exported%20about%208.63%20million%20b,gross%20petroleum%20exports%20in%202021.

The question Ive got is why we export any crude oil if there is a fuel shortage
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« Reply #17135 on: June 04, 2022, 11:47:12 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 04, 2022, 10:46:27 PM
Fine Im only talking about crude oil

US produces 11 mil BL a day

US consumes 19 mil BL of crude oil a day

what is wrong with these statements

where are they wrong

yes I know crude oil is refined into various products such as gasoline so what

Im talking about crude oil which is refined petroleum

and by the way you have it backwards crude oil is from processing petroleum into crude oil and removing natural gases

petroleum is what comes out of the ground and crude oil is processed from petroleum

Im talking only about crude oil

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-crude-oil-and-vs-petroleum/#:~:text=Crude%20oil%20is%20refined%2C%20and,between%20Crude%20Oil%20and%20Petroleum%3F&text=The%20mixture%20of%20crude%20oil%20and%20natural%20gases%20is%20known%20as%20petroleum.&text=Natural%20gases%20are%20dissolved%20in%20crude%20oil%2C%20to%20make%20petroleum.




"what is wrong with these statements

where are they wrong"

They're wrong because the 19 million is measured in a broader category than crude oil. It's a category that includes some natural gas liquids and even some bio fuels. 

Now, you've linked to a crowdsourced definition. Which is fine and dandy, but I went ahead and found the definitions used by the folks who delivered all those stats. This is what we have:

(https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=40&t=6): "Crude oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons that exists as a liquid in underground geologic formations and remains a liquid when brought to the surface. Petroleum products are produced from the processing of crude oil and other liquids at petroleum refineries, from the extraction of liquid hydrocarbons at natural gas processing plants, and from the production of finished petroleum products at blending facilities. Petroleum is a broad category that includes both crude oil and petroleum products. The terms oil and petroleum are sometimes used interchangeably."

What's more, there's a link to a glossary: 

(https://www.eia.gov/tools/glossary/index.php?id=P#petro): "Petroleum:  A broadly defined class of liquid hydrocarbon mixtures. Included are crude oil, lease condensate, unfinished oils, refined products obtained from the processing of crude oil, and natural gas plant liquids. Note: Volumes of finished petroleum products include non hydrocarbon compounds, such as additives and detergents, after they have been blended into the products."

And here is an explainer, from that same organization that describes "U.S. total petroleum production" as the sum of "crude oil" "natural gas liquids" "biofuels and oxygenates" and "refinery processing gain": https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=268&t=6

So it would be pretty dang silly if they referred to "petroleum production" and "petroleum consumption" with different accounting. Using occam's razor, we can most clearly deduce that our 19 million in consumption is also the sum of "crude oil" "natural gas liquids" "biofuels and oxygenates" and "refinery processing gain".
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