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OrangeAfroMan

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« Reply #16786 on: May 25, 2022, 05:05:19 PM »
If that is what you've extracted, sure. 

Its not God, persay, it's the contract with society within a nation that adheres to the rules of biblical text....... whether you believe that text or not doesn't matter, as in order for you not to be rejected by society you'd have to adopt the values they adhere to.... and while adhering to those rules, whether you believe in a god or not, people live better- safer- longer- and in better condition than without them.

More government overwatch isn't the answer for damn certain.  The purpose for government has escaped that which benefits the people they govern and exists now to benefit those doing the governing... even the most noble initiatives are extorted and squandered.  Thats what governing does. 

People have to take personal responsibility instead of finding ways to blame and divert.... insofar as I can see it, in this particular and horrendous situation, the asshole who sold that kid two rifles on two separate days yet days apart is absolutely guilty of being an accomplice... I'll not be convinced he didn't know something effed up was happening- if not from the first purchase, damn certainly from the second... but he wanted that $$$, and he was covered LEGALLY... he didn't give a damn about morally..... and for folks who elevate the authority of state over God, that's okay. 
The fact that you link christianity with morality means we can't even have this conversation.  You're too far removed from reality.
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« Reply #16787 on: May 25, 2022, 05:23:48 PM »
I don't even know why we're bothering with the conversation.  Nothing is going to change.  Not on the gun end.  Not on the mental health end.  It's all broken.  We should move on to Depp vs Heard or how every "van life" youtube person is now posting "van life sucks" videos, etc.

You know, distract ourselves with bullshit while handing over some more of our money to the 3 richest people.  Like we're supposed to.
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« Reply #16788 on: May 25, 2022, 05:40:04 PM »
Notice that I did not say teacher or student. But there are certain teachers that I would want to be armed at all times. In one of my posts, I mentioned a fried that would check traps before school, carrying a handgun and then leave it in his locker during the school day. That same kid grew up and is now a teacher in that same school. He is also a volunteer fireman in the township he lives in, works closely with law enforcement as he is also a member of the villages city council. I would trust him MORE than most LEO's to carry a firearm in school. As a matter of fact, when I was on our School Board, I seriously looked into what it would take to allow him to carry. (There were laws against it).

There are many of us that carry every day without incident. As Drew said in his post, it keeps a lot of us out of trouble as we are aware of the power to take life that we possess.

Also the fact of the matter is that we protect banks, stores, congress critters, office buildings, etc. with armed people, but for schools we posts signs that says "This is a Gun Free Zone." and expect that to protect our kids. That is insane.
You are realistically looking at two options.  1)  Rent-a-cop is armed and trained well and is posted at the entrance or 2) having a teacher that is qualified enough to handle a firearm.  The problem with option 1 is that Rent-a-cop is an extra $50,000 a year from your school budget for something that is realistically not going to be used much (or hopefully ever).  The problem with #2 is that the teacher's primary job is to teach, so while he could be of help once the shooter starts roving the hallways, the shooter could have sprayed three rooms of students before the armed teacher gets there.

I get the idea, and there are certainly a couple of teachers that I might trust to handle the situation correctly, but for example, my kid's elementary school (at that time) had literally 12 teachers total, and 8 were female aged 26 or younger.  While I might be painting a broad brush, I'm fairly certain that not a single one would be competent to handle a gun.  And the turnover rate in schools is decently high.  You don't want to go to the trouble of training a teacher to be prepared for this kind of situation, only for that teacher to leave at the end of the year to go to a different school.

We all like to think that "well, if I were in this situation, it would have turned out differently because of X, Y, and Z."  And to be honest, if you specifically had been there, then absolutely it might have been diffused.  But you are basing that on YOUR training, and YOUR experiences.  If you instituted an across-the-board directive that an armed guard is present at every school, you are going to get some highly qualified individuals who probably have equal to the skills that you possess.  But you are also going to get some who are.....less.  And the more financially strapped a school is, the more bottom-of-the-barrel of guard they are going to get.  Some kid as a prank slips a roofie into his morning coffee, and suddenly you have an unsecured weapon that anyone can pull from his holster.  Or maybe you get a security guard with racial issues and lousy trigger discipline.  

You are looking at this from a best case scenario perspective of a former LEO or military becoming a guard.  I am sadly looking from the opposite side, an institution that already struggles with getting its teachers basic school supplies suddenly has to fork out more money for a guard and gets the cheapest thing they can get.  I just think that the odds of getting a crappy guard that results in an accidental discharge are higher than the odds that a homicidal nutbag is walking through the door.

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« Reply #16789 on: May 25, 2022, 06:27:16 PM »
The fact that you link christianity with morality means we can't even have this conversation.  You're too far removed from reality.
I'm to far removed from YOUR reality.  And morality is and always will be linked with Christianity in this nation.  Without it, we're some third world nation and would never have been what we've since lost. 

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« Reply #16790 on: May 25, 2022, 07:19:08 PM »
An easy claim that can't be proven or falsified.  
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« Reply #16791 on: May 25, 2022, 07:27:08 PM »
I don't even know why we're bothering with the conversation.  Nothing is going to change.  Not on the gun end.  Not on the mental health end.  It's all broken.  We should move on to Depp vs Heard or how every "van life" youtube person is now posting "van life sucks" videos, etc.

You know, distract ourselves with bullshit while handing over some more of our money to the 3 richest people.  Like we're supposed to.
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« Reply #16792 on: May 25, 2022, 07:29:01 PM »
You are realistically looking at two options.  1)  Rent-a-cop is armed and trained well and is posted at the entrance or The problem with option 1 is that Rent-a-cop is an extra $50,000 a year from your school budget for something that is realistically not going to be used much (or hopefully ever). 
Easy fix. Get rid of all the asswipes I see on 95 and all over that do nothing but extort money by writing speeding or parking tickets and put their fat stupid asses AT THE F****G schools and protect the children. Don't need to hire more of anything. Reassign their fat asses.

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« Reply #16793 on: May 25, 2022, 07:35:34 PM »
The fact that you link christianity with morality means we can't even have this conversation.  You're too far removed from reality.
yeah....OAM is right on the money with this one.

It's like some people never actually read the bible....you know....bunch of sh*t bunch of stupid cave dwellers that wiped their asses with tree leafs made up thousands of years ago in which they openly say it's cool to own people, beat your woman, children, kill homos and all that jazz.

Morality and religion are not mutually inclusive. Some of the most "religious" people often tend to be the most immoral. Ted Haggard says what up while he's getting railed by his latino boy toy prostitute while he's high on meth.

German catholic church was interwoven with the Nazis. The damn Nazis uniforms had belt buckles that read....Gott mit uns...god is with us.


Also...ever heard of the f***king crusades? Yeah....
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« Reply #16794 on: May 25, 2022, 07:38:42 PM »
So the answer is.......more god and more guns? 

This is madness.
that's f**kin' 'MERICA for ya. 

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« Reply #16795 on: May 25, 2022, 08:17:43 PM »
You, mdot, aren't capable of a debate with me about Christianity.  

Your ignorance is astounding, and no doubt why you would align with afro- who is a good guy but lives in a bubble with distorted windows viewing what's outside.  

I didn't say someone needs to be a Christian to get along in this country- I said the codes established by morals directed by biblical teachings are good codes to live by whether you adhere and submit to the Bible or not.  People did, in this nation in times past, and when they did predominately, we didn't have the issues we face today.  I dont know how that can be argued to the contrary. 

The density of weapons within the populace has actually declined- there may be more guns buy they are more concentrated in certain lifestyles than they were... in times past you'd have a hard time finding a household without a gun... now that is more common than it isn't. Yet, violence against total strangers Ala mass shootings seems to be on the rise.  ... but let's blame the gun and not the sentiment? 

The pharmaceutical industry and the media are the evils this nation faces if they are to be identified.  That, and the sentiment that has abandoned good and replaced it with feel good.  

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« Reply #16796 on: May 25, 2022, 08:46:09 PM »
The fact that you link christianity with morality means we can't even have this conversation.  You're too far removed from reality.
Really you're the slappie that told Kris 60 and I that those helping others thru charity just so we could manipulate them later.You just hate life and those who have a go of it. You wouldn't recognize reality if it blew up in your face and circled around and bit you in the ass
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« Reply #16797 on: May 25, 2022, 09:14:18 PM »
You, mdot, aren't capable of a debate with me about Christianity. 

Your ignorance is astounding, and no doubt why you would align with afro- who is a good guy but lives in a bubble with distorted windows viewing what's outside. 

I didn't say someone needs to be a Christian to get along in this country- I said the codes established by morals directed by biblical teachings are good codes to live by whether you adhere and submit to the Bible or not.  People did, in this nation in times past, and when they did predominately, we didn't have the issues we face today.  I dont know how that can be argued to the contrary.

The density of weapons within the populace has actually declined- there may be more guns buy they are more concentrated in certain lifestyles than they were... in times past you'd have a hard time finding a household without a gun... now that is more common than it isn't. Yet, violence against total strangers Ala mass shootings seems to be on the rise.  ... but let's blame the gun and not the sentiment?

The pharmaceutical industry and the media are the evils this nation faces if they are to be identified.  That, and the sentiment that has abandoned good and replaced it with feel good. 
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« Reply #16798 on: May 25, 2022, 09:19:53 PM »
yeah....OAM is right on the money with this one.

It's like some people never actually read the bible....you know....bunch of sh*t bunch of stupid cave dwellers that wiped their asses with tree leafs made up thousands of years ago in which they openly say it's cool to own people, beat your woman, children, kill homos and all that jazz.

Morality and religion are not mutually inclusive. Some of the most "religious" people often tend to be the most immoral. Ted Haggard says what up while he's getting railed by his latino boy toy prostitute while he's high on meth.

German catholic church was interwoven with the Nazis. The damn Nazis uniforms had belt buckles that read....Gott mit uns...god is with us.


Also...ever heard of the f***king crusades? Yeah....
ya by those who ignored the very tenets of the religion they claimed to represent.Read the Sermon on the Mount,nothing mentioning any of the Crusades,Inquisitions,Quartering - dismemberment by a horse harnessed to each limb and driven in different directions,burning at the stake,iron maidens,racks,thumb screws all by creeps rivaling Mao,Hitler,Stalin.How they or you confuse that with Christian dialogue is a mystery.The fact you and gator guy are in agreement I'm pretty sure is one of the signs of the apocalypse.
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« Reply #16799 on: May 25, 2022, 09:22:23 PM »
ya by those who ignored the very tenets of the religion they claimed to represent.Read the Sermon on the Mount,nothing mentioning any of the Crusades,Inquisitions,Quartering - dismemberment by a horse harnessed to each limb and driven in different directions,burning at the stake,iron maidens,racks,thumb screws all by creeps rivaling Mao,Hitler,Stalin.How they or you confuse that with Christian dialogue is a mystery.The fact you and gator guy are in agreement I'm pretty sure is one of the signs of the apocalypse
I was just thinking the very same thing

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