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Brutus Buckeye

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« Reply #15624 on: April 12, 2022, 06:12:14 PM »

Yup.

Don’t forget drones with hellfire missiles- which Obama normalized/set precedent of killing of US citizens without due process with. And he even justified/explained away that CRIME  by comparing what he did to the exact hypothetical you just mentioned- taking out a shooter in public.

History tells us there will be a revolution one day and the US government will fall. How or when it happens and what comes after is anyones guess.
It's pretty obvious, actually. The androgynous White Left will boat race the Christians in the semifinals, only to get annihilated by their beloved Jihadists in the National Championship Game.
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
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« Reply #15625 on: April 12, 2022, 06:27:57 PM »
In the past, countries have often just worn down over a long period of time and then broke apart or reformed into something else.  It need not be dramatic, though dramatic events will occur that weaken countries.

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« Reply #15626 on: April 12, 2022, 10:22:33 PM »
Our downfall will be somewhat unprecedented, as we're the furthest along down the industrialization path and our schism is largely urban vs rural.  It's not like a region of the US could just break off and form a new country (sorry, Texas), because no full state is homogenously one party. 
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Our bickering may simply endure beyond maintaining our systems - basically what we blame our congress of doing right now.  Ignoring needed governance that benefits everyone in order to get re-elected.
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1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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« Reply #15628 on: April 12, 2022, 11:49:13 PM »
The British were better trained than the French conscripts and could fire four times a minute to about three for the French.  Muskets are only accurate inside about 70 yards or so.  The idea was to mass fire and repeat, few opponents could stand that for long and then the British would "fix bayonets".  They were remarkably effective at battle.
Till the colonists started mixing Indian tactics with Napoleonic tactics.Then they were like WTF
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« Reply #15629 on: April 12, 2022, 11:51:46 PM »
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« Reply #15630 on: April 13, 2022, 12:16:03 AM »
Till the colonists started mixing Indian tactics with Napoleonic tactics.Then they were like WTF


Yeah, they lost because the Patriots didn't fight by rigid British protocol. 

It would be a lot easier to box Mike Tyson if his hands were cuffed behind his back. It would be a lot easier to beat LeBron James one on one if his shoes were tied together and he had to use a football while on offense. 
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« Reply #15631 on: April 13, 2022, 07:00:36 AM »
Till the colonists started mixing Indian tactics with Napoleonic tactics.Then they were like WTF
This is largely a fable of mistaught American history.  The major battles in the WoI were fought using British tactics and arms.  The British did have to content with partisans and asymmetric warfare, which is common when one side has overwhelming power.  The British won a lot of battles in the WoI, just not the last one, which is to a large degree due to help from the French.

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« Reply #15632 on: April 13, 2022, 07:16:03 AM »

No, the British were marching into battle with bright red coats, playing drums and blaring horns.

They were sitting ducks.
You do realize that the American Army used the same formations and tactics as Washington and many of the other American leaders were trained by the British. Also, only about 4% of Americans that identified as Patriots, actively fought against the British.

My point is that don't EVER discount citizens armed with small arms, defending their homes and families. A bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan pushed the Russian army out and made life miserable for the US troops. 

The United States has over 100 million gun owners with over 2 TRILLION rounds of ammunition. If 4% of them actively fought, that would be an army of 4 Million. Also take into account that a good number of our active military would NOT actively fight in a conflict that required that they attack fellow Americans. 

The other thing to take into account is that in a conflict between the US Armed forces and the American people, the armed forces would certainly face many logisitcal issues. Who do you think supplies the armed forces with weapons, fuel, food, clothing and many other essential items? The Army would never be able to maintain supply lines and hold real estate. They would get slaughtered. 

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« Reply #15633 on: April 13, 2022, 07:20:45 AM »
It would be problematic for any conventional army to deal with motivated US "partisans", and more so for the US military, because many of them would side with their neighbors.  But I don't expect such a thing on any scale, ever.

I think the demise of the US when it comes will be fairly quiet and gradual.

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« Reply #15634 on: April 13, 2022, 07:24:50 AM »
It would be problematic for any conventional army to deal with motivated US "partisans", and more so for the US military, because many of them would side with their neighbors.  But I don't expect such a thing on any scale, ever.

I think the demise of the US when it comes will be fairly quiet and gradual.
I really don't expect it to happen either. I was just explaining that it is not as cut and dried and some people would believe it to be. There is a reason that the 2nd Amendment was included in the BOR. And in spite of what the potted plant in the WH says, it was not about hunting dear. 

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« Reply #15635 on: April 13, 2022, 07:37:29 AM »
Our Federal government today has enormously more power and influence than the Founders ever would have understood and liked, for better or worse.  I read somewhere that before income tax, the only real contact a citizen had with the US government was at the Post Office (aside from wars).  You would live your entire  life with no real connections to Federal government, aside from voting, and the PO.

That isn't a realistic dream today even for "small government types" of course.  We can rue this, or accept it as reality, either or, it doesn't matter, the only thing I see different in the political parties is the pace with which government becomes more intrusive, and I'm not sure that is much more than optics.

And of course the early income tax plans didn't impact many of us.  Our tax situation is really bizarre in my view, like one of these hospitals that has had 19 additions and revisions and you can't find your way through them.

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« Reply #15636 on: April 13, 2022, 07:39:37 AM »
"On April 11, 1783, Congress declares a permanent ceasefire with Great Britain, bringing the hostilities of the American Revolution to an end. The American Revolution began as a result of increasing efforts of Parliament to control her American colonies. After the French and Indian War ended in 1763, Parliament attempted to extract more taxes from the colonists in order to make up the heavy debt incurred during the war and to pay for soldiers stationed in the colonies to police the territory gained in the war.

The colonists rejected the taxes primarily because they had no representation in Parliament and they believed this "taxation without representation" was unfair. They believed governments should govern "with the consent of the governed." Parliament continued with various schemes of taxation over the next decade and the colonists became increasingly rebellious.

Britain eventually occupied Boston, which was viewed as the center of the resistance. After the war broke out on April 19, 1775 at Lexington, the Americans soon surrounded Boston and forced the British to leave the city. This illustrates the problem Britain had for the entire war. She was able to control the cities with an occupying army, but controlling the entire countryside was impossible. The territory was simply too large to control, even for the largest army in the world.

After France, Spain and Holland joined the war on the American side, Britain was faced with a world war, with theatres from the Caribbean to the Mediterranean to India. She was actually forced to withdraw soldiers from North America to defend other areas and create a new American strategy. This resulted in the Southern Strategy in which Britain withdrew from the north and tried to capture the southern colonies. Again, the large cities were easy to take, but the countryside was impossible.

Southern commanders such as Nathanael Greene were able to wear out the army of British General Charles Cornwallis by drawing them into long marches inland. Eventually, Cornwallis was forced to flee to the coast, hoping for reinforcements. A large French fleet blocked the reinforcements from landing at Yorktown, Virginia and George Washington was able to trap Cornwallis and force his surrender.

The surrender of Cornwallis' army disheartened Parliament enough that it was ready to concede the war. Peace negotiations began and the preliminary Treaty of Paris was signed on November 30, 1782. Parliament ratified the preliminary treaty on January 20, 1783 and declared a ceasefire on February 4. Congress declared a ceasefire on April 11, 1783 and ratified the treaty on April 15. After more negotiations, the final Treaty of Paris was agreed to by Congress on January 14, 1784 and by Parliament on April 9, 1784, with final copies of the document exchanged in Paris on May 12, 1784."



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« Reply #15637 on: April 13, 2022, 08:24:01 AM »
You do realize that the American Army used the same formations and tactics as Washington and many of the other American leaders were trained by the British. Also, only about 4% of Americans that identified as Patriots, actively fought against the British.

My point is that don't EVER discount citizens armed with small arms, defending their homes and families. A bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan pushed the Russian army out and made life miserable for the US troops.

The United States has over 100 million gun owners with over 2 TRILLION rounds of ammunition. If 4% of them actively fought, that would be an army of 4 Million. Also take into account that a good number of our active military would NOT actively fight in a conflict that required that they attack fellow Americans.

The other thing to take into account is that in a conflict between the US Armed forces and the American people, the armed forces would certainly face many logisitcal issues. Who do you think supplies the armed forces with weapons, fuel, food, clothing and many other essential items? The Army would never be able to maintain supply lines and hold real estate. They would get slaughtered.
What would all of the pussy class Americans do? Hide in their safe spaces?

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