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OrangeAfroMan

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« Reply #15400 on: April 05, 2022, 10:29:23 PM »
if it's not real and not such a big deal than why are LGBQTRETARD teachers quitting all over Florida? Why is a piece of shit asshole company like Disney saying they are going to fight to overturn the legislation?

Because the radical left is nuts.

You see, the radical anything is nuts....which is why they're radical.

HB acting like a fire-and-brimstone preacher is hilarious, though.  A vast majority of people are for this legislation?  Great.  I bet a vast majority of people are for not bombing Venus.  
It's not a real issue.  It's the radical 5% of either end going batshit crazy.  HB is inventing that it's hit a nerve with me, which is beyond bizarre.  I guess discussing something = hit a nerve.  

Let's talk about boob size....but I'll be careful not to post more than twice about it, or else it will have hit a nerve with me, lol.
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« Reply #15401 on: April 05, 2022, 10:31:19 PM »
This narrow view is, again, disappointing.

These are real issues of free speech. Real questions about how we as a society prevent dialogue that might offend the powerful from being chilled. And it's all brushed aside. Why? I have guesses. Shoot, libel lawsuits are very, very much threats to free speech.

Explaining that "Restricting speech on those platforms to me is a complete violation of free speech rights" is not very meaningful. You have no right to speak on Twitter. None. At all. You have an allowance from the people who run it, as it is a private platform. That is how this works. The same way the managers of this board could throw us off if they saw fit (they can also delete our posts, when they so choose). And a powerful person thrown of twitter or Facebook, they have many, many avenues to speech. They're free to start competitors, join already existing competitors.

If a social media platform want to throw someone off, that's an actual exercise of a first amendment right, the freedom of association. And what so many want seems to be that for exercising that first amendment right, the owners should be deprived of property.

I suppose if we think about speech in the most narrow ways, with out feelings being the guide, we'll land at the same place. We'll fire off our political takes, wrap them in the mantle of "free speech" because it makes us feel
righteous, and work to erode the meaning of this bedrock of our great country.

(And if Elon starts banning his critics, I'll be in the same corner. He'd 100 percent have the right to do it, and he'd be showing his words about free speech were simply empty)

from everything he has said I expect that twitter will have a lot less censorship and more free speech and will be very surprised and disappointed if thats not the case

Im not going to argue the 1st amendment vs private ownership but will say when the republicans take over there will be legislation to support free speech on social media and I will welcome it
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« Reply #15402 on: April 05, 2022, 10:31:58 PM »
May be an image of 1 person and text that says 'MBJ @happinessinbulk When I was 5, I never knew if my teachers were married let alone what their sexual orientation was. I didn't even know what sex was. Because was a little CHILD and my parents gave me the gift of a childhood. 12:40 1/4/2022 Twitter for Android'
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« Reply #15403 on: April 05, 2022, 10:36:59 PM »
Do you live in a cave in the Himalayas

Just go to google and type Florida school districts forcing transgender on young students without parents permission and bingo you'll get a shitload of articles
I try to avoid biased media sources on both sides, so topics intended to spur political elbow throwing find me less frequently. But I just Googled what you said. 

I see articles on two cases. Both involve middle schoolers 12 and older. In each case, the kid came to the school mentioning things, and the school was somewhere between accommodating and over accommodating. So not per say forcing anyone to do anything but allowing elements of it to proceed. They also didn't tell the parents, which feels like a violation of sorts (I think if something is shared in confidence, there's a value in confidence existing, but once you start accommodating, I'm pretty leery of holding back).

Would be interested if there were current laws that were actually violated. On an early scan, none of the stories reference Florida's parental bill of rights, which you think would make it a slam dunk, and in turn make it weird it's not more prominent in the suit. 

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« Reply #15404 on: April 05, 2022, 10:37:55 PM »
Because the radical left is nuts.

You see, the radical anything is nuts....which is why they're radical.

HB acting like a fire-and-brimstone preacher is hilarious, though.  A vast majority of people are for this legislation?  Great.  I bet a vast majority of people are for not bombing Venus. 
It's not a real issue.  It's the radical 5% of either end going batshit crazy.  HB is inventing that it's hit a nerve with me, which is beyond bizarre.  I guess discussing something = hit a nerve. 

Let's talk about boob size....but I'll be careful not to post more than twice about it, or else it will have hit a nerve with me, lol.
Florida passed a law to stop that crap and if the problem that was addressed was imaginary no one would have protested it.  That should be proof enough. 

We went through the same thing with CRT.  When the left is called on it and they find out the vast majority of Americans  are against it they realize they are on weak ground and pretend there never was a problem

You do this very well

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« Reply #15405 on: April 05, 2022, 10:39:54 PM »
from everything he has said I expect that twitter will have a lot less censorship and more free speech and will be very surprised and disappointed if thats not the case

Im not going to argue the 1st amendment vs private ownership but will say when the republicans take over there will be legislation to support free speech on social media and I will welcome it
It's interesting. There have been a lot of pushes for more "free speech" platforms. The issue is that people REALLY don't behave, they turn into cesspools and eventually they get moderated to one degree or another. 

Now, maybe turning Twitter and Facebook into even bigger cesspools will drive more folks off, and that might be a positive externality. 

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« Reply #15406 on: April 05, 2022, 10:45:59 PM »
Florida passed a law to stop that crap and if the problem that was addressed was imaginary no one would have protested it.  That should be proof enough. 

We went through the same thing with CRT.  When the left is called on it and they find out the vast majority of Americans  are against it they realize they are on weak ground and pretend there never was a problem

You do this very well


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« Reply #15407 on: April 05, 2022, 10:55:58 PM »
Florida passed a law to stop that crap and if the problem that was addressed was imaginary no one would have protested it.  That should be proof enough. 

We went through the same thing with CRT.  When the left is called on it and they find out the vast majority of Americans  are against it they realize they are on weak ground and pretend there never was a problem

You do this very well


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You don't know that because you're the dog.
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« Reply #15408 on: April 05, 2022, 11:12:51 PM »
This narrow view is, again, disappointing.

These are real issues of free speech. Real questions about how we as a society prevent dialogue that might offend the powerful from being chilled. And it's all brushed aside. Why? I have guesses. Shoot, libel lawsuits are very, very much threats to free speech.

Explaining that "Restricting speech on those platforms to me is a complete violation of free speech rights" is not very meaningful. You have no right to speak on Twitter. None. At all. You have an allowance from the people who run it, as it is a private platform. That is how this works. The same way the managers of this board could throw us off if they saw fit (they can also delete our posts, when they so choose). And a powerful person thrown of twitter or Facebook, they have many, many avenues to speech. They're free to start competitors, join already existing competitors.

If a social media platform want to throw someone off, that's an actual exercise of a first amendment right, the freedom of association. And what so many want seems to be that for exercising that first amendment right, the owners should be deprived of property.

I suppose if we think about speech in the most narrow ways, with out feelings being the guide, we'll land at the same place. We'll fire off our political takes, wrap them in the mantle of "free speech" because it makes us feel
righteous, and work to erode the meaning of this bedrock of our great country.

(And if Elon starts banning his critics, I'll be in the same corner. He'd 100 percent have the right to do it, and he'd be showing his words about free speech were simply empty)

You have a right to say or write pretty much whatever you like. I believe that 1000000% with all my being. You also have to take the consequences that come with what you say and write however. I can talk shit about my boss or my company I work for- and then my boss can absolutely fire me. Canceling someone's order for talking bad about your company is stupid- but products do not equal speech. Money does not equal speech. Speech = speech.

And libel law suites are absolutely a necessity. People cannot be allowed to knowingly defame and defraud willy nilly. Can rich guys plays fast and loose and abuse those type of law suites to try and bully and intimidate people a lot less rich then them? Of course they can. But that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of valid cases where libel suites are necessary.

Free speech is nearly absolute- but it does have limits. You can't threaten someone with violence. You can't defraud and defame someone. Obviously you cannot publish illegal disgusting things like child pornography. But outside of that- pretty much everything else is fair game.

You're right- no one has free speech rights on platforms like Twitter or Facebook right now. They are private companies. But my opinion is that they should be reclassified as public utilities- almost like the telephone- and that everyone should have protected free speech rights- by law- on these platforms. These platforms have become the de facto public square/town hall- and free and open dialogue should be protected on them.

Facebook and Twitter have exemptions by law- they are shielded from liability by law-  for whatever a user on their platform writes or shares. If they are to enjoy this special right- then there really is not a single valid god damn reason for them to go on their insane censorship campaigns. Ban/censor people that break the law on the platforms- death threats, specific acts of violence, etc., etc.. Leave everyone and everything else the hell alone.

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« Reply #15409 on: April 05, 2022, 11:13:46 PM »
Because the radical left is nuts.

You see, the radical anything is nuts....which is why they're radical.

HB acting like a fire-and-brimstone preacher is hilarious, though.  A vast majority of people are for this legislation?  Great.  I bet a vast majority of people are for not bombing Venus. 
It's not a real issue.  It's the radical 5% of either end going batshit crazy.  HB is inventing that it's hit a nerve with me, which is beyond bizarre.  I guess discussing something = hit a nerve. 

Let's talk about boob size....but I'll be careful not to post more than twice about it, or else it will have hit a nerve with me, lol.
Ok. I see what you're saying. And I think I actually kind of agree with you.

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« Reply #15410 on: April 05, 2022, 11:21:15 PM »
Don’t forget they have Disney cruises to countries that completely banned homosexuality.
yeah, not too well thought out there on Disney's part. reminds me of the people you see driving their minivans or priuses with Ukraine flag stickers next to their LGBTQ flag sticker.

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« Reply #15411 on: April 05, 2022, 11:31:40 PM »
1) I'm all for discussions of boob size.  I'll talk about it all day.

2) I'm all for bombing Venus.  Hit them before they hit us, is what I say.


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« Reply #15412 on: April 05, 2022, 11:52:24 PM »
You have a right to say or write pretty much whatever you like. I believe that 1000000% with all my being. You also have to take the consequences that come with what you say and write however. 

Sometimes one of those consequences is that a private company decides to no longer associate with you. 

And if it's in the spirit of free speech for that company to host you regardless, it's probably the spirit of free speech to not wield threats or devalue your property out of spite. 

Seems like we go narrow, with actual legal elements, or broad with the spirit. Feels weird to pick and choose when it favors the cool technocrats. 

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« Reply #15413 on: April 06, 2022, 06:46:20 AM »
Imagine we passed a law making it illegal to say drive a car with a blindfold on.  One could object saying "Hey, nobody does that, we don't need such a law." which would be fine, I dislike spurious laws.  But I wouldn't object so aggressively about it.  You just banned a thing that never happens, meh.


 

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