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You'd prefer the previous guy, whom the generals had to babysit? 
Sit down.

yes, I VASTLY prefer the previous guy.

The generals didn't babysit him, they lied to him. Which is just astounding. In case you haven't noticed, the unelected generals and "intelligence" services are part of the problem.

Look, I'm not saying I support US involvement in this case.  I really don't.

I'm just saying that defense of Russia's point of view is laughable.

Look, I'm not saying I support US involvement in this case.  I really don't.

I'm just saying that defense of Russia's point of view is laughable.

And I disagree.

US explicitly promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand one inch eastward if USSR withdrew from East Germany and allowed for the reunification of Germany. This is a matter of fact and record. Declassified documents by the US, UK, and French governments prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. It was promised to Gorbachev that NATO would NOT expand one inch eastward. Gorbachev had every reason NOT to allow for the reunification of Germany- Germany did after all invade Russia and kill MILLIONS of it's people. Twice. In the last 75 years alone at that point. That's only 1 person away. Germany invaded Russia. Twice. Not the other way around. It wasn't Russia that invaded and devastated Germany twice. You think people in Russia just forgot about that? No, they didn't. They remember Germany invading twice (WWI and WWII) and killing millions of Russians. But Gorbachev believed the assurances he received and allowed for the reunification of Germany to happen. And what did he get for being a fool and taking the US gov'ts word? Continued NATO expansion on Russian's borders- as you mentioned with Latvia and Estonia. Ukraine joining NATO would be the last straw that breaks the camels back.

You can bring up Crimea and Belarus. Crimea by the way was historically part of Russia- it was gifted to Ukraine by Khrushchev in the late 1950's- it's 90% native Russian language speakers and 70% ethnic Russian- and oh yeah by the way Sevastopol Naval Base happens to be of the utmost strategic importance to Russia. And as I said- that is freaking childs play compared to what US imperialism has done in just the last 20 years alone.

You'd prefer the previous guy, whom the generals had to babysit? 
Sit down.

If the previous guy was still our President Russia wouldnt be pulling this shit

You can bring up Crimea and Belarus. Crimea by the way was historically part of Russia- it was gifted to Ukraine by Khrushchev in the late 1950's- it's 90% native Russian language speakers and 70% ethnic Russian- 

And so spoke Hitler about the Sudetenland before getting Chamberlain to hand it over to him. And just a precursor to further expansion. 

Parallel?  Who knows, but Putin is not to be trusted. 

And so spoke Hitler about the Sudetenland before getting Chamberlain to hand it over to him. And just a precursor to further expansion.

Parallel?  Who knows, but Putin is not to be trusted.

Lol. Putin is hardly comparable to Hitler. Different situations.

We can agree he’a a pretty murderous authoritarian scum bag, right?

Absolutely. Said it in here many times, he's basically a mafia boss running a mafia state, and he's a ruthless murderous scumbag who rips off his own country to the tune of countless billions of dollars. That's a far cry from Hitler.

He isn't trying to take over all of Europe and exterminate every single Jewish person, Gypsy person, and mentally or physically disabled person in Europe however. There is a special place in the deepest bowels of hell for a complete psychopath like Hitler. Really amazes me that he was able to take over Germany and get an entire country to go along with genocide. Blows my f**king mind actually. People shouldn't be compared to him willy nilly.