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Mdot21

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« Reply #10094 on: November 11, 2021, 11:43:33 AM »
What's most interesting is how much good science came out of it. As the interview highlighted, 10 Nobel prizewinners were funded by tobacco companies.

They were largely working on other things and much of that work effectively distracted from the link between cigarettes and cancer, but that doesn't make it bad science. For example the links between stress and cholesterol on heart disease may not have been aggressively studied if they weren't looking for things *other* than cigarettes causing heart disease. Now that we're in a society where smoking rates are so much lower than they were ~40 years ago, knowing those things can be used to make us healthier in the absence of a smoking-dominated society.

So while I think it's important to recognize what's going on, who's funding it, and WHY, and to call them on the carpet as a result... I don't think that the actual science that was produced is a problem.
That’s the great thing about science. Lots of stuff is discovered on accident. 

We have to be willing to admit that we don’t know what we don’t know. New discoveries are constantly being discovered which call into question the previously held knowledge or facts of the day.

Science is about discovery, being able to question everything- it’s constantly evolving. 

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« Reply #10095 on: November 11, 2021, 12:20:36 PM »
unfortunately, many scientific opinions are stated as fact
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« Reply #10096 on: November 11, 2021, 12:41:36 PM »
unfortunately, many scientific opinions are stated as fact
Usually by people who don't even understand the scientific opinions in the first place...

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« Reply #10097 on: November 11, 2021, 01:39:14 PM »
I'd be fine with losing the politics. As B.R.A.D. mentioned above, we did try a policy thread. But, that went to shit pretty quickly.

I'll nuke this thread if that's what people want. By this point, we all know where we stand.

I'd rather we get back to cooking, booze and football.
What is tiger meat? Why raw beef became a South Dakota food favorite

Tiger meat: Raw hamburger seasoned and cured, eaten like a dip with crackers. Commonly referred to as



Tiger meat: Raw hamburger seasoned and cured, eaten like a dip with crackers. Commonly referred to as "South Dakota steak tartare."

The name's a bit misleading, but tiger meat isn't made with tiger. It's just ground beef ... raw.

Tiger meat is similar to steak tartare, which originated among Germans and Russians. The dish made its way to America by German and Russian immigrants and passed down through generations.

The dish can be found in states with larger German-Russian histories, including Minnesota (where it's commonly called cannibal burger), North Dakota, Kansas (raw burger or wildcat) and Texas (called parisa around the San Antonio area). While it's restricted to those small German-Russian communities and families in other states, tiger meat is known statewide in South Dakota and claimed as a South Dakota food by many.


https://www.argusleader.com/story/life/2019/08/22/what-tiger-meat-origin-south-dakota-food-favorite-raw-beef-tartare/2054004001/

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« Reply #10098 on: November 11, 2021, 01:42:42 PM »
Yup I dig parisa, so I'd be down with Tiger meat.  I also enjoy steak tartare, and carpaccio.





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« Reply #10099 on: November 11, 2021, 02:27:55 PM »
meat is cooked for a reason and its not just to make it tender

I think I'll stick to it being cooked
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« Reply #10100 on: November 11, 2021, 02:41:28 PM »
yup, no sense in trying something that others enjoy

stay in your box ;)
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« Reply #10101 on: November 11, 2021, 02:48:46 PM »
yup, no sense in trying something that others enjoy

stay in your box ;)
I’ll try almost anything once.

I even tried horse in Sicily and spleen sandwiches as well. Not a fan of either, but hey I gave it a shot. 

Life is about trying new things. Sometimes you find something you like on accident. 

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« Reply #10102 on: November 11, 2021, 02:57:18 PM »
spleen sandwiches don't sound great but I'd give 'em a try
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« Reply #10103 on: November 11, 2021, 04:23:45 PM »


We have to be willing to admit that we don’t know what we don’t know. 
Religion refuses to do this.
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« Reply #10104 on: November 11, 2021, 04:26:18 PM »
Usually by people who don't even understand the scientific opinions in the first place...

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Science NEVER claims to state truths, just reports on the current likelihood based on the available evidence.  Emphasis on CURRENT, LIKELIHOOD, and AVAILABLE.  
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« Reply #10105 on: November 11, 2021, 04:42:23 PM »
The 20-odd "natural laws" in science are accepted as "Truth".  There has to be some kind of bedrock, and things like F = ma are not questioned.

The problem is when journalists start paraphrasing scientists and confusing science with speculation.  

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« Reply #10106 on: November 11, 2021, 05:03:31 PM »
Take it to the corona thread!
This was posted before noon, but it’s 5 o’clock somewhere

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« Reply #10107 on: November 11, 2021, 05:09:16 PM »
Religion refuses to do this.
Most of humanity refuses to do this. 

The initial chapter to Penn Jillette's book on religion [and on his atheism] highlights that three of the most important words in the English language, and three that are REALLY phenomenally difficult for most people to say, are "I don't know."

People treat it as an acknowledgement of failure to respond to a question with "I don't know", so they respond with what they think they know, which so often just ain't so. 

That is a trait of humanity, not of religion -- albeit part of humanity from an early stage was to ascribe that which we don't know to the supernatural, i.e. religion. 

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Science NEVER claims to state truths, just reports on the current likelihood based on the available evidence.  Emphasis on CURRENT, LIKELIHOOD, and AVAILABLE. 
The problem is when journalists start paraphrasing scientists and confusing science with speculation. 
Yes. The issue is not with the science, it's that people who don't understand the nuance want to treat everything in a world of white and black, and so they use simple [and wrong] shorthand for "the science". 

When you hear a scientist, or an engineer, or a doctor, or many other professions give an opinion on something in their field of expertise, usually anything they say is going to be very carefully phrased to identify the limits of that opinion, and often with a given confidence level. 

 

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