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The Covid thread has infected this thread with Covid. 

Ha.  True.

I didn't kill the COVID thread, I just stopped moderating it.  It's still available for discussion.

So far, THIS discussion has been mostly reasonable and thoughtful, even among people with very different viewpoints. 

well somebody did cause you cant post to it

well somebody did cause you cant post to it

Ah okay.  I guess badgerfan really did lock it up.  

I suppose this thread is as good as any, then.

So now this thread is going to be all Covid all the time, with nothing but misguided pompous bloviations from folks outside of the medical community? 

So now this thread is going to be all Covid all the time, with nothing but misguided pompous bloviations from folks outside of the medical community?

You make a good point.  Some people really DON'T want to talk about COVID.  

I've revived the COVID thread, let's try and keep the discussion there, so that folks who don't want to talk about it, won't be forced to read through it on other threads.

Mandates are one thing. My position on anything is that I'm not going to disobey a mandate wanting me to do something smart JUST BECAUSE it's a mandate. It takes a certain level of stubbornness to defy a mandate at cost to oneself. (Note: I'm not saying that people who don't want the vaccine aren't smart--I disagree with them but it's their own decision to make for themselves.)

I chose to get the vax because I believe it was the right decision for me. I would have done that without a mandate, and I wouldn't refuse to do it just because there's a mandate.

My daughter (age 9) got her first jab last Saturday, so a few more weeks and my entire family will be vaxxed.

my stance ed zachery

Mandates are one thing. My position on anything is that I'm not going to disobey a mandate wanting me to do something smart JUST BECAUSE it's a mandate. It takes a certain level of stubbornness to defy a mandate at cost to oneself. (Note: I'm not saying that people who don't want the vaccine aren't smart--I disagree with them but it's their own decision to make for themselves.)

I chose to get the vax because I believe it was the right decision for me. I would have done that without a mandate, and I wouldn't refuse to do it just because there's a mandate.

My daughter (age 9) got her first jab last Saturday, so a few more weeks and my entire family will be vaxxed.

I am not anti-vaccines. I am anti-mandates. I do not believe the government should be able to force people to do anything with their own bodies. I think most drugs should be legal, the war on drugs are stupid. If heroin was legal- I wouldn’t run to the store and do it tomorrow. I don’t think most people would. And believe it or not I also think woman should have the right to choose when it comes to abortion. Government does not belong in peoples personal/private lives, period. As far as I’m concerned. I was for gay marriage as well- way before it was passed into law. If two consenting adults want to get married- why does it matter what sex they are and why is the government involved at all?

IF they were able to prove these vaccines were effective at stopping the spread dead in it’s tracks and eradicating the disease- then I might be on board for vaccine mandates. But if that had been the case- I believe you’d have seen people line up to get it- there wouldn’t be need for mandates. Study after study in highly vaccinated countries are showing the vaccines do not prevent infection or stop the spread effectively. At best they can slow it down a bit and help prevent severe symptoms. But there are therapeutics out now and more coming to market that can basically defeat the virus if you take at first sign of symptom- so again- is there a need for a vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission but can help limit severe symptoms when you have therapeutics now that can basically kick the viruses ass in 2-3 days if taken at first sign of symptoms? Not really sure.

I got the vax, having said that I do not have children, and if I had children I do not think I would give them it. I don’t see the benefits for them- as the risks for children being seriously ill or dying from COVID is virtually non-existent- and I see more potential risks giving them an experimental vaccine that was rushed to market- and to be frank we really don’t know the long term side effects it can cause in children and the FDA has admitted as such. And there has been high cases of myocarditis caused by the moderna vaccine in young boys. So much so that many countries have been banning the moderna vax for young boys. 

I honestly believe that it aught to be up to the people and the parents of children to decide what they do or don’t put in their bodies and their children bodies.