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NorthernOhioBuckeye

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« Reply #10066 on: November 11, 2021, 09:19:29 AM »
Actually, that's what vaccines are designed for- to immunize you from infection from a pathogen which in turn stops the spread of said pathogen. This thing does not do that- which is why the CDC all of a sudden changed it's official definitions in late 2020 of what vaccines and vaccinations are.

What happened to that whole "get the vax, stop the spread" campaign? So what, now it's morphed into- get the vax to manage symptoms? Lol. What? Manage symptoms for a virus that if you contract it- you're chances of developing serious illness and going to the hospital are...wait for it.... .89%. Point. Eight. Nine. Percent.

And contracting covid and recovering actually gives you a better, stronger, longer lasting natural immunity than this vaccine could ever hope to achieve- per all the science.

You need to wake up. A lot of this bs is simply put just a money grab by special interests. The CDC has taken hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in "donations" from Pfizer, Merck, J&J, etc. through it's CDC Foundation since it was founded in 1995 by Congress. Nearly 50% of the FDA's total budget comes from the private corporations they are suppose to be regulating. Corporations literally have massive influence if not flat out control of the government agencies that are suppose to be regulating them. It's called regulatory capture. Look it up.

Pretty simple thought exercise- if these vaccines ACTUALLY worked effectively and the good, noble mega-billion dollar corporations like Pfizer/Moderna/J&J were only concerned about saving lives- then why aren't all of them giving it away to the poor all over the world for free? Oh yeah, they aren't. LOL. They are ALL blocking the release/licensing to poor nations in Africa, Asia, & all over the world.

Forcing everyone to take these experimental vaccines by force in the US benefits only the multi-national billion dollar corporations that produce them and in turn the puppet politicians and regulatory bodies they have bought and paid for and now own.

If you want the vaccine, great. Go get it. It will reduce your odds of getting serious illness and needing to be hospitalized from .89 percent to .18 percent. So I say- that's cool- go get it if you want to feel protected, but don't force it on anyone through government action. That is not who or what we are. This is suppose to be a free country. FREE.
I agree with everything you said here, except that the chances of having to be hospitalized from Covid are nowhere near 89%. I don't have the number readily available (and am to lazy to look it up), but the hospitalization rate for those that have contracted Covid is most likely well under 10% if not a lot closer to 1%. 


EDIT: I just reread your post. You said .89% not 89%. My bad.

NorthernOhioBuckeye

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« Reply #10067 on: November 11, 2021, 09:21:08 AM »
why not get vaccinated and you are even more protected then relying on natural immunity that an unvaccinated person acquires if they get the virus
I have read some theory's that the vaccine will hamper natural immunity. If I get a chance, I will try to find those articles and post them here. 

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« Reply #10068 on: November 11, 2021, 09:43:05 AM »
*theories

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« Reply #10069 on: November 11, 2021, 09:45:43 AM »
Haven't had a long enough trial run to call it anything else.Truth be told you & I don't know that either
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« Reply #10070 on: November 11, 2021, 09:52:32 AM »
It typically takes 7-10 years to get a vaccine to market. They got this one out in a matter of months. That frightens me a little bit. And forcing it on children- who are virtually immune from serious illness and death from covid- makes zero sense to me. 

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« Reply #10071 on: November 11, 2021, 09:56:55 AM »
Is it being forced on children?

I mean, I know it isn't in my own region, but it's possible this is happening elsewhere.



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« Reply #10072 on: November 11, 2021, 09:59:18 AM »
why not get vaccinated and you are even more protected then relying on natural immunity that an unvaccinated person acquires if they get the virus
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« Reply #10073 on: November 11, 2021, 10:08:30 AM »
Is it being forced on children?

I mean, I know it isn't in my own region, but it's possible this is happening elsewhere.
Not yet- but that does not mean they will not try. The fear porn is already being ramped up in the media. 

NY Times & MSNBC got caught grossly lying and exaggerating the numbers of children dead/hospitalized from COVID. NY Times wrote something like 970,000 children died/hospitalized from COVID. It was so bad- Yahoo news called them out on it and NY Times had to make a retraction. MSNBC had some moron doctor who turns out has been funded by Pfizer- say that 146,000 children in US have died from COVID. The actual figure is like less than 700. 100% of which were unhealthy children that had pre-existing conditions.

They lie at behest of Pfizer, J&J, and other drug companies because those drug companies are massive advertisers/sponsors to their networks. The top 10 pharmaceutical companies spend something like $7 BILLION a year advertising in print & tv media- with nearly 75% going to TV networks. Money infects and ruins everything.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=210bHotqzFM

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« Reply #10074 on: November 11, 2021, 10:10:23 AM »
We may think of science as our foremost producer of knowledge, but for the past decade, science has also been studied as an important source of ignorance. The historian of science Robert Proctor has coined the term agnotology to refer to the study of ignorance, and much of the ignorance studied in this new area is produced by science. Whether an active or passive construct, intended or unintended, this ignorance is, in Proctor’s words, “made, maintained, and manipulated” by science.

This article is excerpted from the book “Science and the Production of Ignorance: When the Quest for Knowledge Is Thwarted.”
In the conversation that follows, excerpted from a longer discussion published in the volume “Science and the Production of Ignorance,” Proctor and historian and philosopher of science Peter Galison describe some of the most important strategies used by industry over the years to produce this ignorance. Some of the well-documented tactics used by the tobacco industry, for example, included funding decoy research to distract from critical questions; organizing “friendly research” for publication in popular magazines; establishing scientific front organizations; and forever calling for more research and more evidence, setting standards for proof so high that nothing could ever satisfy them.

“It’s really quite brilliant,” says Proctor. “If you don’t like the science that’s out there, create some of your own. And then claim ‘we need more research.’ And then label your opposition as a bunch of close-minded fanatics.” The Proctor-Galison dialogue provides a historical context for today’s explorations of agnotology and makes abundantly clear why the rest of us need to be as concerned as they are with such ignorance and the new area of its investigation.


https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/industry-weaponizing-science-agenda/
Thanks FF... That was an excellent read. 

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« Reply #10075 on: November 11, 2021, 10:11:51 AM »
so we are supposed to not get vaccinated and just catch the virus

I dont think so

but thanks for playing
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« Reply #10076 on: November 11, 2021, 10:12:12 AM »
Thanks FF... That was an excellent read.
Money/profit motive corrupts everything. 

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« Reply #10077 on: November 11, 2021, 10:16:38 AM »
so we are supposed to not get vaccinated and just catch the virus

I dont think so

but thanks for playing
Well at this point, you should make a personal decision and if you want to get vaccinated, do so.

I don't agree with everything MDOT is saying, but I do agree that we're past the point of focusing on urging the masses to get the vaccine to reach some unattainable "herd immunity" goal versus an endemic virus.  It'll never happen so people need to stop thinking in those terms.

At this point, get the vaccine to protect yourself from the worst symptoms, should you catch it.  That's the choice I've made for myself, and my family.

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« Reply #10078 on: November 11, 2021, 10:16:50 AM »
so we are supposed to not get vaccinated and just catch the virus

I dont think so

but thanks for playing
Not saying that. The vaccines are readily available- if people want them- they are free to go and get them. God bless. And everyone that has wanted one- has gotten one. 

Forcing them through mandates or law- not with that- at all. Especially not when it comes to children- who are of virtually no risk for serious illness from COVID. 

You will catch the virus regardless of whether you are vaccinated or not. Period. EVERYONE will. There is no getting around that. The vaccines will not stop transmission. Best they can do is increase your chances of not developing serious illness. And if they will not stop transmission- doesn’t really make sense to force them on people who don’t want them.

This is an endemic virus that will be with us forever- like the flu- which the average person catches roughly twice every 10 years or so. This will be just like that- and you can take all the vaccines and boosters you want- everyone will eventually get infected with this virus- regardless of vaccination status.

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« Reply #10079 on: November 11, 2021, 10:21:23 AM »
The fact of the matter is the cold hard truth is that these covid vaccines are essentially worthless, as they are imperfect "leaky" vaccines which DO NOT stop transmission of this virus dead in its tracks like the vaccines we have for say polio or smallpox.
Except that the commonly used polio vaccine in the US, the one we most likely all received in this country, also does not stop transmission...

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/polioviruscontainment/diseaseandvirus.htm



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Inactivated poliovirus vaccine

Inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) protects people against all three types of poliovirus. IPV does not contain live virus, so people who receive this vaccine do not shed the virus and cannot infect others, and the vaccine cannot cause disease. IPV does not stop transmission of the virus.  OPV is used wherever a polio outbreak needs to be contained, even in countries which rely exclusively on IPV for their routine immunization program. Once polio has been eradicated, use of all OPV will need to be stopped to prevent re-establishment of transmission due to VDPVs.

The mRNA vaccines are used for COVID because trying to use a live virus vaccine would be incredibly difficult to make safe and get through testing. I.e. you need to make sure that by giving someone a live or attenuated virus, that you don't cause too many of them to have symptomatic COVID and be hospitalized or die. And the live virus vaccines can actually cause you to shed the virus itself, and CAUSE you to spread the virus. 

The mRNA vaccines don't do that. It's impossible to catch COVID from the vaccine, because it's merely causing your body to produce the spike protein for your immune system to recognize. It's impossible to spread COVID from the vaccine, because the vaccine doesn't contain COVID. 

But it is possible to still catch COVID. Your body has learned immunity to protect you, as the vaccine recipient, from harm, just like the inactivated polio vaccine. So your threat of severe illness or death is much lower. But as it's still possible to be infected, it is still possible to transmit the virus, just like polio.

 

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