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Cincydawg

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« Reply #9562 on: November 01, 2021, 09:49:22 AM »
Even the trolling notion that country folk are somehow equivalent to urban gangs in any sense is amusing, and stupid.

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« Reply #9563 on: November 01, 2021, 09:50:52 AM »
Yes it costs money. But when talking about criminals and their ability to train, cost is irrelevant as they generally steal what they have in the first place. So really the constraint of funding affects the law abiding more than the criminals.
Well, if they want a gun, and can't afford it, how should they get one? Also, don't they have far, far more need of a weapon than you do?

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« Reply #9564 on: November 01, 2021, 09:51:06 AM »
They need pistols because they get arrested for having weapons and rifles are a lot tougher to hide.
I own pistols and rifles and have carried them in public. I don't get arrested even when out in public with one or the other because I obey the laws and treat others with respect. 

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« Reply #9565 on: November 01, 2021, 09:51:29 AM »
I highly doubt it. If needing more government is important to city folk, why do "Defund the police" movements come from big cities? The whole thing doesn't make much sense after a cursory review.
Because most big cities are run by corrupt morons? I don't know. 

We don't need to defund the police. We need to demilitarize the police, in my opinion. And we also need to change the drug laws and end this stupid wasteful "war on drugs". 

Oh and the "liberal" hero "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" Joe Biden- is literally one of the architects of the explosion of the prison population- and many of the millions of black and brown people that have been rotting in for-profit prisons and jails for decades for minor drug charges- can be almost completely attributed to him. FYI. 

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« Reply #9566 on: November 01, 2021, 09:51:33 AM »
Even the trolling notion that country folk are somehow equivalent to urban gangs in any sense is amusing, and stupid.
I have to be honest here - it's clear you don't have even the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

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« Reply #9567 on: November 01, 2021, 09:52:33 AM »
Wouldn't you want money spent to be devoted to propping up your life instead of being arrested and put in jail? Though, like most people, they would rather be left alone.
Unfortunately, there are those in their communities that don't feel that way and have no problems violating others desire to be left alone. Therefore the need for police presence and protection. 

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« Reply #9568 on: November 01, 2021, 09:52:54 AM »
the town of 500 folks where I grew up and worked and the town of 300 where I've lived for the past 30+ years don't have a "town cop".  The town of 500 did for years but it became less expensive to have the county sheriff deputies drive through regularly and respond to issues rather than employ someone fulltime maybe part time.

The small town of less than 2,000 people to my east has 3 fulltime policemen.

the rural area of the county, not counting the city of 70,000 has around 35,000 people - this area is under the Sheriff's watch.  not sure how many deputies are employed, but there are 2 or 3 on patrol at all times

there are also stat highways running through the county that are patrolled by the state highway patrol 

many here think it is overkill for the amount of crime and calls.

I'd guess the law enforcement numbers per capita are stronger here than in major cities, with far less crime.

bottomline is:  if there is a crime reported, law enforcement will show up in a few minutes

this doesn't seem to be the case in many large cities such as Chicago
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« Reply #9569 on: November 01, 2021, 09:54:26 AM »
Well, I grew up in a rural area and there was no shortage of teenagers looking to get in fights and mess around.
I never claimed otherwise. We have the same. The difference is that there are boundaries that those teens know not to cross (lethal force for one). Also, as we pretty much know most of those teens and their parents, or at the very least know someone that does, sometimes a simple phone call will take care of that problem. 

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« Reply #9570 on: November 01, 2021, 09:55:13 AM »
Unfortunately, there are those in their communities that don't feel that way and have no problems violating others desire to be left alone. Therefore the need for police presence and protection.
I mean, sure, crime does exist. My point is there seems to be this idea that having weapons and defending your communities is a good thing. But when certain people do this, it is a bad thing. Where is the line here? Shouldn't we expect low income communities where crime is higher to be more protective and thereby have more violence?

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« Reply #9571 on: November 01, 2021, 09:58:16 AM »
I haven't seen a soul claim that having weapons and defending one's community is a bad thing only if "certain people do it", unless those folks are largely engaged in illegal activities.

So, yeah, if criminals do this, it's a bad thing, in my book.  If a law abiding citizen does it, it's not.

Legal versus illegal, simple comparison.

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« Reply #9572 on: November 01, 2021, 09:58:33 AM »
Well, if they want a gun, and can't afford it, how should they get one? Also, don't they have far, far more need of a weapon than you do?
Well, they could get a job and earn the money, you know, like our forefathers have done for hundreds of years. 

As to your claim that they need a gun more than I do, I have not said that they cannot get one. They are free to do as they wish within the framework of the law. Also, the fact that the people in my neighborhood have armed themselves and taught themselves how to use those weapons has made the need greatly diminished. Perhaps if we were unarmed and depending upon the government to take care of us, the need would be greater. 

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« Reply #9573 on: November 01, 2021, 10:02:21 AM »

Legal versus illegal, simple comparison.
LOL, yeah ok whatever

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« Reply #9574 on: November 01, 2021, 10:03:38 AM »
Well, they could get a job and earn the money, you know, like our forefathers have done for hundreds of years.

As to your claim that they need a gun more than I do, I have not said that they cannot get one. They are free to do as they wish within the framework of the law. Also, the fact that the people in my neighborhood have armed themselves and taught themselves how to use those weapons has made the need greatly diminished. Perhaps if we were unarmed and depending upon the government to take care of us, the need would be greater.
So...generally you would be against gun control laws in cities and excessive police enforcement, right?

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« Reply #9575 on: November 01, 2021, 10:05:09 AM »
I mean, sure, crime does exist. My point is there seems to be this idea that having weapons and defending your communities is a good thing. But when certain people do this, it is a bad thing. Where is the line here? 
When defending your illegal activity by violence, that is the line. 


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Shouldn't we expect low income communities where crime is higher to be more protective and thereby have more violence?

Think about it this way. You are a criminal and don't care about other peoples privacy or their property rights. You wish to steal something to pawn or somehow make money. You have a choice between 2 homes. One is occupied by a little old lady that has not ability to fight back. The other is occupied by a former Marine that is well armed. Which home do you invade?

Now consider that ALL of the homes are occupied by well armed people, well trained in how to use those arms. How likely are you to want to break into any home?

 

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