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Well, this is what I learned in History all the way back in 6th and 7th grade ( early 70s).

The teachers were crystal clear about the abhorrent deeds of those who were involved in years of slavery, and how its effects continue.

so why now do we need to change those teachings to make it clear all white people were in on it when so many died to stop it?

Who is trying to teach that all white people are in on slavery. Or that the Civil War didn't happen? There has been a century long effort to rehab the image of the Confederacy into some sort of noble cause. I can't imagine a bigger bunch of spit on Union soldiers than saying the Confederacy was some sort of decent operation based on noble differences in policy.

I think what was done to the Natives of this land is probably "our" biggest sin.

I also think what is commonly overlooked is who exactly was selling slaves to be brought here. Had there been no supply, there would not be a market.

History.

I mean, I wouldn't support putting some statues of African kings or the various slavers who helped raid and spark conflict in the region, either. Also, the importation of slaves was banned in 1808. Didn't exactly kill the slave trade. In any event, why would that make anyone celebrate plantation owners rebelling against America so that they wouldn't lose money?

Quote from: MaximumSam on June 13, 2021, 09:31:50 PMI'm 1/2,the rest is either Yeti or Billygoat. So what now we take our Beer/Brats and go Home? Seeing as they came over before the Civil War I think I'll stay

Naw buddy eat some brats and drink some hefeweizen. It's a good thing that Germany has a proper amount of shame.

No.  No, no, no, no.
As a teacher, it's literally my job to teach what happened (in this subject and case).  If a student has an opposing view, it's absolutely not canceled or suppressed, but investigated for validity.  If it's an invalid view, that's a "teachable moment."  It's not an "Ha-ha!" or "gotcha" moment in any way. 
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Wen you're discussing teaching and learning, you're talking so far out of your ass, I don't know how to properly describe it. 

You are the dumbest person I have come across in a long time.  And you are a liar.  And nobody is buying it.  And, yes, it is exactly what they are teaching in some places. Universities, and some inner city schools.  EXACTLY.  And you know that.

you can whine about it being exposed until forever.  It won’t change what is going on and why so many will stand up in opposition
And, if your willing to put your lack of credibility out there by claiming the left is NOT censoring, leveraging cancel culture, and completely suppressing news that disproves YOUR narrative- don’t be so surprised that you cant be taken seriously. 

Sharing a website that soothes your confirmation bias isn't helpful.  It never is.  But it's the only type of link you ever post.

So you can stop talking out YOUR ass, here is a place you may want to start to educate yourself :

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/06/beginners-curriculum-critical-race-theory/

It will give you a better understanding of the roots of Critical Race Theory, Whiteness studies, White Fragility, and the spectrum of beliefs and approaches out there. More importantly it gives you suggested reference books, essays and teachings.  And lastly some of this material will make you and SAM more aware of what is already out there, being taught, and where it appears to be evolving to.

I have actually followed them before. Lindsay is kind of a nut, but Pluckrose is pretty reasonable. And many of their criticisms are good. But they also tend to miss the forest in the trees. Badge points out, rightly, that African people were happy to sell slaves. But they were overwhelmingly people they captured during conflicts and wars with other tribes. More recently, Rwanda had an entire genocide where the one ethnic group attacked another.

People constantly chime in, on this site, about how various tribes flock together. And perhaps it is. But there is another side to this coin. Some groups are going to get some unearned benefits and some are going to get some unearned problems. The idea that we should ban talking about this, which everyone knows is true, is pretty crazy. It is the height of political correctness.

I have actually followed them before. Lindsay is kind of a nut, but Pluckrose is pretty reasonable. And many of their criticisms are good. But they also tend to miss the forest in the trees. Badge points out, rightly, that African people were happy to sell slaves. But they were overwhelmingly people they captured during conflicts and wars with other tribes. More recently, Rwanda had an entire genocide where the one ethnic group attacked another.

People constantly chime in, on this site, about how various tribes flock together. And perhaps it is. But there is another side to this coin. Some groups are going to get some unearned benefits and some are going to get some unearned problems. The idea that we should ban talking about this, which everyone knows is true, is pretty crazy. It is the height of political correctness.

Oh I am actually all for talking about virtually all aspects of this “tribal“ flocking thing-  ecause it is actually very real. 

But let’s not pretend that’s what’s being objected to because it’s not. What’s being objective to is the idea that one tribe is the owner and to blame for all of it. And that is very real, and that is being taught, and that is being promoted, how many politicians, many universities, and many in the main stream media.


I am on the executive committee for diversity and inclusion, newly formed in the organization I work for and for good reason.  These things are open we discussed virtually all of the time and we are reading this material virtually all of the time.  Not only do we not run from the conversation we seek it. But that doesn’t mean we all agree on solutions.

for example you may or may not agree with the following new proclamation:

A person can’t be “non-racist“.  If you are white and are not an anti-racist activist, then by definition you are a racist.  That is one of the new theories and teachings. 

wow I don’t hold it against somebody who has that opinion I certainly disagree with that and would find it totally inappropriate for that to be taught in a school, but it actually is being taught and that is a fact.