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« Reply #2688 on: February 16, 2021, 10:19:57 AM »






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« Reply #2689 on: February 16, 2021, 11:51:58 AM »
Average EV Owner Drives Half as Many Miles as Other Drivers—Study (caranddriver.com)

Makes sense of course.  My guess is that in 5-8 years, most two car households will be buying an EV when they are in the market for a new car.  

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« Reply #2690 on: February 16, 2021, 12:01:37 PM »
Which takes less time to recharge from empty?

A car with a 50 KwHr battery, or one with a 100?
Ok, here's some data, based on 801 Tesla cars and their battery capacity. Full curves here: https://forum.abetterrouteplanner.com/blogs/entry/6-tesla-battery-charging-data-from-801-cars/


TL ; DR

[th]Battery Code[/th]
[th]Tesla Model[/th]
[th]Estimated Usable Capacity[/th]
[th]10 kWh -> 50 kWh charge time[/th]
BT373 Long Range72.8 kWh23 min
BT60S6056.3 kWh42 min
BT70S7065.7 kWh33 min
BT85S8573.4 kWh27 min
BTX4S/X9079.8 kWh23 min
BTX5S/X7571.6 kWh27 min
BTX6S/X10095.7 kWh20 min
BTX8Rare S/X75 25 min

So in this case they're not going to "full charge", they're seeing which batteries add 40 kWh fastest, going from 10->50. 

As a general rule, larger batteries add 40 kWh faster than smaller batteries. There is some noise in the data because these are different battery configurations, and of course the Model 3 uses a completely different battery cell than the previous Model S/X. 

But it's clear. Slowest is the [smallest] 56.3 kWh battery, next slowest is the [next smallest] 65.7 kWh battery, and the fastest is the [largest] 95.7 kWh battery. 

Note: this analysis is somewhat skewed because this was before the 250 kW Superchargers had been released. These chargers were all limited to 120 kW.

The reason for this is that charge rate is dependent on battery size and on current state of charge. 

Let's look at the charts for the second-smallest (they don't have a chart for the BT60) and the largest:



As you can see, the BT70 can take all the juice the 120 kW charger can give up until about 22% charge, or about 14.5 kWh of charge. After that point the maximum charge rate it will accept decreases. By the time you get to 50 kWh of charge (~76% charge, your charging power is only 40 kW. 

The 95.7 kWh battery is able to charge at 120 kW charging power from about 13% (12.5 kWh of charge) up until somewhere in the high 40s percent charge, we'll estimate 47% (46kWh) from that red line, and then drops off very slowly until you get to around 58% (55.5 kWh).

Like the 65.7 kWh battery, charge rate drops off. The 40 kW charge power point for this larger battery is at say 91%, or 87 kWh...

So... The 95.7 kWh battery charges FASTER than the 65.7 kWh battery. Because it has more cells, it can accept more charging current for longer. And if you compare the curves, at any given state of charge measured in kWh rather than percent of charge, it will be charging at a FASTER rate.

Larger batteries charge at a faster rate than smaller. It's the nature of the technology. 

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« Reply #2691 on: February 16, 2021, 12:33:29 PM »
If I can drive 250 miles and fast charge to 80% in 35 minutes, I won't need any battery swap thing.  That gives me 400 miles in range easily with one 35 minute break.  The  tech is evolving fairly rapidly.  We will need more charging points.  Crackerbarrel?

Our condo is adding them now on some spots.
over 740 miles to my brother's place in Dallas
I'd have to stop twice and add an hour to an 11 hour trip.

I suppose someday that will be normal.  Or batteries and EVs will evolve and improve.

or I could swap batteries at AfroMan's kiosk along the Kansas Turnpike
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« Reply #2692 on: February 16, 2021, 01:44:11 PM »
for my buddies enjoying the weather in Florida.............

May be an image of snake and text that says 'The air hurts my face DepressedAlien.com Why amI living where the air hurts my fase oH THATS WHY ssunny.co'
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« Reply #2693 on: February 16, 2021, 02:00:07 PM »
I have a method to keep those away.
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« Reply #2694 on: February 16, 2021, 02:12:01 PM »
A basket and a flute?
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« Reply #2695 on: February 16, 2021, 02:24:44 PM »
I'm a pretty good shot.
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« Reply #2696 on: February 16, 2021, 02:49:08 PM »
I asked a simple question, does a 50 Kwhr battery reach full charge in less time than a 100?

The answer is clearly yes, all else being equal.  It takes less time to charge a smaller battery from near empty to near full.


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« Reply #2697 on: February 16, 2021, 03:19:34 PM »
I don't know much about these batteries, except that they are really heavy.
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« Reply #2698 on: February 16, 2021, 03:28:56 PM »
and the batteries are produced by horrendous damage to the earth with child slave labor
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« Reply #2699 on: February 16, 2021, 03:30:54 PM »
It's obvious a 50 battery will reach full charge faster than a 100 battery.  I provided links on that.  It's not half the time, I get that, not my point at all.

Alphabet continues to show data irrelevant to my core point.


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« Reply #2700 on: February 16, 2021, 04:41:50 PM »
That snake pic is one big plus for living north of I-4 rather than south of it.  The scariest thing I ever saw growing up was a behemoth, prehistoric alligator snapping turtle.  

It will remove your digits if you mess with it.  
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« Reply #2701 on: February 16, 2021, 05:00:06 PM »
Too cold up there. It's noticeable. I was looking in Clearwater and ruled it out.
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