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« Reply #2674 on: February 16, 2021, 07:55:26 AM »
It would take much longer than a minute.
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« Reply #2675 on: February 16, 2021, 08:01:20 AM »

If you can get 100 mile in half an hour of fast charging, I view this as a better option than a battery swap, which has many many difficulties.

Most folks with an EV aren't going to drive very far in a day, so the charging rate is only relevant on trips over 200-300 miles.

Think of how many batteries total would be needed for battery swap to happen, aside from other issues?  

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« Reply #2676 on: February 16, 2021, 08:44:23 AM »
they could also put a solar panel on the hood, roof, and trunk lid - especially in Arizona, California, ect.

I don't have a pic of the electric golf cart I've ridden in, but it was large, carried 4 golfers and clubs.  Had a large top with solar panel.  This wouldn't keep up forever, but allowed them to run all day w/o charging
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« Reply #2677 on: February 16, 2021, 08:47:43 AM »
I see sailboats with a single solar panel quite often. The owners rely on them to charge a single 12V battery. 
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« Reply #2678 on: February 16, 2021, 08:47:59 AM »
The amount of electricity generated by a solar panel the size of a car surface is too slight to worry about, at best 20-25 miles of range per day under ideal conditions.

Can You Buy Solar Panel Cars in 2021? | EnergySage

I've seen them used to power internal exhaust fans to reduce summer heat.

Hyundai Put A Solar Panel On An Electric Car But It's False Green (forbes.com)
Hyundai Put A Solar Panel On An Electric Car But It's False Green (forbes.com)

Hyundai says their solar panel will provide enough electricity to power 808 miles of driving per year, or 2.2 per day -- if you leave the car out in the sun. That's not nothing, but it's close to nothing, so close as to not justify the cost. You also give up the opportunity for things like Tesla's panoramic roof or sunroofs. This low amount of energy is shown in the history of cars with solar panels. An early Prius with a solar panel only used it to power a fan to keep the car cool on hot days.  808 miles of electricity at home prices is worth about $22 or 6 cents/day.

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« Reply #2679 on: February 16, 2021, 09:02:20 AM »
It's not nothing, but it's close to nothing

agreed, but every little bit helps.

and it's green energy , not a charging station supplied by a coal or NG plant

if every car and truck in the world had solar panels........it just might add up to a small something
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« Reply #2680 on: February 16, 2021, 09:06:55 AM »
The cost benefit ratio is not good at all.  A slight benefit isn't worth it if the cost is high.

You're better off with a slightly larger battery pack.


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« Reply #2681 on: February 16, 2021, 09:19:24 AM »
I disagree entirely.  Charging rate is charging rate independent of battery capacity.

I don't understand all your posts, and didn't bother reading them.  I could be wrong, but it seems straightforward to me.

If I hook up a Volt, it charges at the same rate initially as a depleted Tesla with double or triple the battery capacity.




A Tesla contains thousands of individual batteries. The individual batteries are rated to X amperes of maximum charging current. A battery pack is limited to X*N (N being the number of cells to create the pack) of maximum charging current.

Splitting that battery "pack" in half means that you have two batteries each of N/2 size. So each pack can take X*N/2 maximum charging current, which means your total charging current for two packs is 2*X*N/2, or X*N. You've changed nothing by doubling the number of charging ports or chargers.

If splitting the packs in half and doubling the number of charging ports would increase recharge rate, why would Elon Musk not have done it at this point?

BTW if you hook up a Volt to a 250 kW Tesla v3 Supercharger, it won't fill at 250 kW, because the battery can't accept that much current.

The problem is that you're ONLY looking at this from the flow rate of the source. You're not looking at it from the rate at which the battery can accept charge, which is the limiting factor.

If the hose output is the same, then you'll fill one 10L bucket twice as fast with two hoses as you will with one. Along the same lines, if you have two 5L buckets, you'll fill them with 2 hoses AT THE SAME RATE as you will fill one 10L bucket with two hoses. It doesn't matter whether it's one 10L bucket or two 5L buckets if the hose flow rate is the key.

What I'm saying is that with batteries, it is NOT the hose flow rate that is the limiting factor--it is the battery cell maximum charging current.


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« Reply #2682 on: February 16, 2021, 09:20:40 AM »
A 50 KwHr battery recharges with less time than a 100 battery.  It's not half the time, but it is less time.  Obviously.


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« Reply #2683 on: February 16, 2021, 09:27:28 AM »
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« Reply #2684 on: February 16, 2021, 09:55:01 AM »
So do power plants some hay/alfalfa and you're back in the mix
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« Reply #2685 on: February 16, 2021, 09:58:38 AM »
We do burn biomass for energy, it's a small contributor.  Biomass generally contains a lot of water and that is a problem.  The same is true with municipal waste, only worse, way too much water to burn, so they fire the plants with NG to generate enough heat to get rid of the water as steam so the biomass can burn.

Water is bad in a combustible fuel, an energy soak.

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« Reply #2686 on: February 16, 2021, 10:01:27 AM »
Engineer Who Compared Tesla Model 3 Quality To 'A Kia In The '90s' Buys Another Model 3. Here's What He Found (jalopnik.com)
Engineer Who Compared Tesla Model 3 Quality To 'A Kia In The '90s' Buys Another Model 3. Here's What He Found (jalopnik.com)

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« Reply #2687 on: February 16, 2021, 10:10:41 AM »
2021 BMW i4: What We Know So Far (caranddriver.com)

BMW says the i4 will have the ability to travel up to 372 miles on a full battery. However, that estimate is based on the European testing cycle that is much more generous than the EPA range cycle that we use here in America. Along with a battery pack that measures about 80.0-kWh, the i4 will have a 150-kilowatt charging capacity can provide up to 80-percent of the car's driving range in just 35 minutes.

If I can drive 250 miles and fast charge to 80% in 35 minutes, I won't need any battery swap thing.  That gives me 400 miles in range easily with one 35 minute break.  The  tech is evolving fairly rapidly.  We will need more charging points.  Crackerbarrel?

Our condo is adding them now on some spots.

 

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